Adam, I am using your PPA and I find it very valuable.It's a great way to get a recent version. I think the PPA solves the problem for most Ubuntu/Debian users and seems to be widely accepted. I don't see the need for inclusion in Ubuntu repos, but the choice is yours.
Anyway, many thanks for the PPA. /Martijn On Oct 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Dick Hollenbeck <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/18/2013 08:41 AM, Adam Wolf wrote: >> Dick, >> >> Do you see any value in me trying to get a decent package put into the >> Ubuntu and Debian >> release or should I abandon that project? >> >> Adam Wolf >> W&L > > > I do see value in it. Only you can say if that value makes it worth your > time. Folks > encountering KiCad for the first time often will install from the repo. Only > later will > they yearn for the new goodies, which can be obtained only by building from > recent source. > > A daily PPA like system is therefore more valuable, since it has potential to > address the > needs of both the new user as well as the seasoned one. > > > > > > > > >> >> On Oct 18, 2013 8:33 AM, "Dick Hollenbeck" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> On 10/18/2013 03:11 AM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I updated the script according to Dick's suggestion and added some >>> modifications in it for "yum" people so that we are now a bigger >>> family. I also uploaded it to the web: >>> http://www.kicad-pcb.org/display/KICAD/Download >>> >>> just a question, Dick, why don't we like "sudo apt-get build-dep >>> kicad"? you removed it. Shouldn't be better to have it there? just in >>> case in the future we add some libs, some apt-get guy detect it but we >>> do not update this script accordingly. >> >> build-dep relies on the person maintaining the package for the distro. >> His/her choices >> and ours are different. For one thing, we've decided that he/she is way >> too slow. For >> another, we've decided to build and *patch* boost ourselves. Getting our >> dependencies >> from his choices made a year ago do not make sense to me. No one knows >> more about how to >> compile KiCad on Ubuntu than the core developers. For example, the >> boost-dev distro >> package is not a prerequisite to build KiCad using CMake, but that would >> erroneously come >> in using build-dep. >> >> >> I have employees and contractors using this script now, it will have to >> work for me at all >> times, this makes me a watchdog and a maintainer of the script. >> >> >>> >>> Dick, thanks for the "make package" thing. I think it is great ! >> >> The *.deb is not great. CMake is great. The *.deb that is built does >> not proclaim any >> prerequisites at run-time nor at build-time. So that *.deb is only >> suitable for the >> machine on which it was built. Or a distro exactly at that same version, >> which also has >> all the run-time dependencies installed. Neither our script, nor the >> *.deb says anything >> about the run-time dependencies. Run-time dependencies are a subset of >> build-time >> dependencies. >> >> For a person familiar with what "checkinstall" does, using a *.deb >> generated this way will >> give a person a record in the local package management system as to the >> files that were >> installed. It is not much more than that. >> >> Note that >> >> $ sudo make uninstall >> >> seems to work fairly well also, as well as >> >> $ sudo dpkg -r kicad >> >> would work after installing the lean *.deb file. >> >> >> >>> I >>> have done some googleing and noticed that for instance slackware Linux >>> does maintain a "recent" version (03/2013) of KiCad: >>> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=kicad&sv=14.0 >> >> >> I have generic-ized the script to support different notions of the >> install_prerequisites >> step. In theory more distros could be added for those folks wanting to >> build from source. >> >> >> >>> >>> Debian people do it too but it is 1.5 years old. I contacted the >>> maintainer but mail bounced back. >>> >>> There is also and unofficial Debian/Ubuntu apt-get repo that looks >>> very official and that we could use: >>> http://www.apt-get.org/ >>> >>> The question is kind of philosophical, who should maintain packages >>> and distribute open-source software? the developers of the software or >>> the guys doing Linux distros? >>> >>> Well guys, I think lots of progress on this subject has been made >>> since two weeks ago, I think cmake is the way to make .deb. I think >>> the script on the web is great for the people who want to compile. We >>> just need an additional step adding Adam's server in the equation? >>> >>> Adam, I'll have a look at Karl's stuff and contribute to the cmake but >>> first I'd like to fix all this .desktop files and especially this >>> icons issue. It seems to me that there is a little bit of a mess >>> there. >>> >>> Regards >>> Fabrizio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Adam Wolf >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>>> There have been some discussion in Debian land about changing how they >>>> package Python-y stuff, that will make a world of difference for me. It >>>> looks like it's going through, so there's light at the end of that tunnel >>>> too. >>>> >>>> Adam Wolf >>>> W&L >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Dick Hollenbeck <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> CMake now builds a primitive *.deb file on Ubuntu/Mint/Debian. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> $ make package >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It has no dependencies, so it about like using checkinstall. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> Post to : [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> Post to : [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> . >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
