On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 01:15:43PM +0100, Kristoffer Ödmark wrote: > I think the aim then should be to inform about this. I see the "invisible" > checkbox as being just that, it makes the pins invisible, but still > connected. > > Shouldnt this be a warning issue for the ERC, connecting to an invisible pin > that is not stacked? > > And as you said, you had to clean out parts that had invisible pins that > that was supposed not to be connected. Fault of creating the symbol, I think > the symbol should be reworked instead of hardcoding around faulty symbols. > > There are many silly ways of using stuff, I dont agree that having a > visibility checkbox determining if it is connectable is the right way, > rather have a pop-up warning that says that you have connected to an > invisible pin.
...you don't think kicad has enough popup warnings /yet/?! Are you kidding? The feature is confusing, it should be reworked to be less confusing. Not leave it confusing and yell at the user when he gets confused. > > - Kristoffer > > On 2017-02-07 12:50, Chris Pavlina wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 12:44:45PM +0100, Kristoffer Ödmark wrote: > >>I wasnt saying its a good idea, but having invisible pins indicates that you > >>want to connect to something that is not visible, its literaly there in the > >>name. An invisible pin. > > > >I have seen numerous parts made by people who clearly don't get that, as > >they think invisible pins are a nice way to represent no-connect pins > >visibly in libedit that don't show up in and clutter the schematic. Just > >had to clean a bunch of those out of my own library that someone > >submitted, and someone else said the official KiCad libs have a bunch > >too. Not sure why you think it's so obvious when actual usage shows it's > >not. > > > >> > >>I mean, otherwise there could be a stacked pin instead. Im not saying that > >>invisible pins are good practise, but thats not really for me to say. > >> > >>What is silly is having invisible pins working as no-pins except if they are > >>a stacked pin, well that doesnt sound clear to me. > > > >What's silly is using them that way when you could just hide the pin > >text. It's only the text that collides and makes them look bad. > > > >Compromise: don't connect invisible pins of type "no connect". Remove > >the stupidity in the design without screwing the people who depended on > >it. > > > >> > >>-Kristoffer > >> > >>On 2017-02-07 12:33, Chris Pavlina wrote: > >>>Honestly I think that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. Pins > >>>that you can't see should make connections that you can't see to wires > >>>that you can? The ONLY imaginable use case for this is stacks of pins. > >>>Every other possible case is a mistake. > >>> > >>>On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 11:09:44AM +0100, Kristoffer Ödmark wrote: > >>>>Honestly I think the invisible pins are supposed to work exactly as they > >>>>are, that they should be able to connect, otherwise there are the "no > >>>>connect" - pin type or the option of just removing the pin from the symbol > >>>>altogether. > >>>> > >>>>- Kristoffer > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On 02/07/2017 10:02 AM, Oliver Walters wrote: > >>>>>Kristoffer this is good feedback. I did not expect this to get pushed > >>>>>straight away, and perhaps there is a way forward that won't break > >>>>>schematics. > >>>>> > >>>>>Relying on implicit connected that is *not* displayed on the schematic > >>>>>seems like a very bad idea to me. > >>>>> > >>>>>I appreciate your use case (I currently have a few symbols that do that > >>>>>too). > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Kristoffer Ödmark > >>>>><[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>>>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> This seems dangerous, I have seen a few design where there are 5-10 > >>>>> pins hidden under the same pin, excpecting them to be connected. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would rather this hidden connections were indicated in some way, > >>>>> this change disconnects lines and might break some users > >>>>> footprints-symbols connection. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Kristoffer > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 02/07/2017 09:47 AM, Oliver Walters wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> The attached patch prevents invisible pins from being connected > >>>>> using > >>>>> the wire tool in eeschema. > >>>>> > >>>>> a) If you connect a wire endpoint to the same position as a pin > >>>>> endpoint, they are NOT connected visually > >>>>> b) Wires and insivible pins are also ignored during netlist > >>>>> creation > >>>>> c) This does not affect the ability of invisible power-pins to > >>>>> automatically connect to global power labels > >>>>> > >>>>> Is the current behavior of connecting invisible pins to wire > >>>>> endpoints > >>>>> desired? Or is it just an aberration? > >>>>> > >>>>> If there is a very good reason that pins not visible in the > >>>>> schematic > >>>>> are able to be connected silently? > >>>>> > >>>>> before: http://i.imgur.com/3gModvW.png > >>>>> > >>>>> after: http://i.imgur.com/r8O7c3Y.png > >>>>> > >>>>> (Note the 'dangling' wire-end indication) > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Oliver > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > >>>>> Post to : [email protected] > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> -Kristoffer > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > >>>>> Post to : [email protected] > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>-Kristoffer > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >>>>Post to : [email protected] > >>>>Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > >>>>More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
