Thank you Nick! On 3/17/2017 10:17 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote: > I have disabled scripting. > > 2017-03-17 15:04 GMT+01:00 Chris Pavlina <[email protected]>: >> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:01:20AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> On 3/17/2017 9:56 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:08:28AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>>> Would someone please disable python scripting on OSX builds so we can >>>>> provide nightly builds until we can find a solution for the python issue. >>>>> >>>>> On 3/16/2017 4:56 PM, Jean-Paul Louis wrote: >>>>>> I agree 150% with Bernhard. >>>>>> >>>>>> A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry you feel this way but this has nothing to do with OSX being >>>>> second class and every thing to do with the simple fact that there are >>>>> far more windows and linux devs so things tend to get fixed faster on >>>>> those platforms. >>>> >>>> In his defense, that's kinda the definition of a second class citizen. >>>> Not that it's our _fault_, we don't have many developers for macOS. But >>>> that doesn't make it not true. :\ >>> >>> I wish I had a better answer to this issue but I don't. >> >> Same here. In fact I have the hardware/software resources to do macOS >> development but not the time. Hell, my own *main* kicad work has been >> delayed for weeks, and it'd take me ages just to get to the bottom of >> what's going on here and understand it all, let alone find a fix :( >> >>> >>>> >>>> Wayne, would you be okay with disabling scripting on the macOS builds >>>> until scripting is fixed for them? >>> >>> I replied to an email earlier to request that we disable python >>> scripting on osx until the python build issues are a resolved. Did it >>> not make it through? >> >> Nah, there's just been enough discussion on this issue that I've managed >> to miss and/or forget some. >> >>> >>>> >>>>> Your comments doe nothing to encourage the few OSX >>>>> devs that we do have. Perhaps a better way to motivate them would be to >>>>> thank them for their efforts. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my $0.02, >>>>>> Jean-Paul >>>>>> N1JPL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies >>>>>>> still don’t build. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Simon: >>>>>>> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish? >>>>>>> Might at least be a start to work with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python >>>>>>> bundling has been sorted out? >>>>>>> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build >>>>>>> where it doesn’t work right... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Bernhard >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled >>>>>>>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib >>>>>>>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How is this done on Windows? >>>>>>>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where >>>>>>>>> you just >>>>>>>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put >>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there >>>>>>>>> issues >>>>>>>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> used from an external Python? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and >>>>>>>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the >>>>>>>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically >>>>>>>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> existing python install? It might prove to be more reliable. At >>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>> you would always have a known python build. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the >>>>>>>>> bundle >>>>>>>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it). >>>>>>>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> bundle. >>>>>>>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from >>>>>>>>> inside >>>>>>>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible. >>>>>>>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really >>>>>>>>> unusable for >>>>>>>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always >>>>>>>>> trigger >>>>>>>>> the menu action). >>>>>>>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for >>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> types of scripting. >>>>>>>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time. >>>>>>>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so >>>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>> don’t do it twice… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Bernhard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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