When considering the ease of use of the dialog, remember LayerViewSet (python) adds some functionality and will be upgraded to work with v5. I hope similar functionality is built in to v6.
Greg S. > On Feb 18, 2018, at 7:07 PM, Michael Kavanagh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > I like your suggestion. If you're worried about backlash, how about using a > wxTreeCtrl to list the copper layers and respective names, and nested under > each layer is traces/zones and pads, eg for a 2 layer board: > > 1. F.Cu > Traces/Zones > Pads > 2. B.Cu > Traces/Zones > Pads > > Each item could have a checkbox for visibility and colour picker button, but > with the "parent" items 1 and 2 being able to override their child elements. > > Just a suggestion, I realise this might be a lot of work and unrealistic for > the v5 release. > > Cheers, > Michael > >> On 19 February 2018 at 00:37, Jon Evans <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'm going to go to the user forum with these questions too, but curious what >> the devs think about this: >> >> In my original RFC, I proposed eliminating the different between "front" and >> "back" in the Render checkboxes. >> I still think this makes sense for things like text and footprints, but I'm >> having second thoughts about merging the "Pads Front" and "Pads Back" >> Right now we have pads set to a different color than other copper on the >> front and back copper layers. >> I guess some users probably like this and would get annoyed if we removed >> the ability for pads to be a special color. >> Will they get annoyed if we force them to set both the front and the back >> pads to the same color? >> >> (to be honest, I am used to EDA tools that by default treat pads as part of >> the copper layer and show them in the same color, so I don't care about this >> feature) >> >> -Jon >> >>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:09 PM, Jon Evans <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Thanks Wayne and Jeff (and yes there are a lot of edge cases here to sort >>> out) >>> >>> Note that Andrzej Wolski already did propose some changes related to this >>> that might be good to merge as a first step. >>> I have only done limited testing on them so far but they do work and >>> resolve some of the problems: >>> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743890/comments/6 >>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg34009.html >>> >>> -Jon >>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Jeff Young <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Jon, >>>> >>>> Sounds good to me too. A few edge-cases you might want to watch out for: >>>> >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1733894 >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1744521 >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1744730 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Jeff. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 18 Feb 2018, at 22:36, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Jon, >>>>> >>>>> I'm good with all of this. I would like to get this cleaned up before >>>>> the stable release if possible since there are so many complaints and bug >>>>> reports about it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Wayne >>>>> >>>>>> On 02/18/2018 03:00 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> Right now the behavior of the "Layer" and "Render" tabs of the layers >>>>>> widget are confusing to users, resulting in complaints on the forum and >>>>>> some bug reports: >>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748181 >>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743890 >>>>>> I could take a crack at fixing this (before or after 5.0 depending on >>>>>> what the complexity ends up being) but before I write any code I wanted >>>>>> to propose how I think it should work. >>>>>> I think the visibility of any object should be the AND of layer >>>>>> visibility and render visibility. >>>>>> To get there: >>>>>> 1) In the Render tab, get rid of the distinction between front/back. For >>>>>> example "Pads Back" and "Pads Front" becomes just "Pads" >>>>>> 2) Change the visibility code so that an object is visible if (a) the >>>>>> associated Render setting is turned on for the type of object, and (b) >>>>>> at least one of the layers the object is on is enabled in the Layers tab. >>>>>> 3) (optionally) Rename "Render" to something more friendly like "Items" >>>>>> or "Item Types" to make it more clear to the user that this is where >>>>>> they can turn off the display of various types of items as opposed to >>>>>> various layerse >>>>>> If this plan is OK, I will start working out the details of how to get >>>>>> there. Right now the Render tab is directly controlling the visibility >>>>>> of certain "GAL Layers" but unfortunately the set of objects that >>>>>> appears on one GAL layer is not always equal to the set of objects that >>>>>> the user would expect to turn on and off, as seen by the bug reports. >>>>>> So, there will have to be some additional logic created to manage these >>>>>> settings beyond just turning on and off layers in the GAL. >>>>>> -Jon >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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