Yes, the JetBrains stuff did that too. I remember being quite a fan of it.
> On 21 Feb 2018, at 14:42, Jon Evans <[email protected]> wrote: > > List+Tabs can work well too. I just think we will benefit from multiple > levels of hierarchy, and from having the first level of hierarchy be a > vertical list that can have some kind of logical grouping (section headers, > horizontal lines, etc) > > To be honest, I don't find Qt Creator to be a shining example of preferences > done right, because while the List+tabs is a good start, many of the tabs > then go off to spawn child dialogs and discovery is harder than it should be. > > I think no matter what we do, we should think about it as embracing the fact > that we will have a lot of preferences, rather than begrudgingly accepting > that. The latter can lead to people removing preferences that some other > people want to use, just because the preferences dialog can't display them > all in a nice way. > > While it's not perfect, I think the Eclipse IDE preferences are actually a > neat model for this -- there are tons of options, and so the preferences > dialog even has a search box that lets you quickly identify where certain > settings live (I think JetBrains IDEs do this too). > > Best, > Jon > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Jeff Young <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I’m not a fan of tree controls for preferences, but there’s also the > compromise of a list + tabs (a la QTCreator). > > >> On 21 Feb 2018, at 14:28, Jon Evans <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Before you commit to that, I had wanted to make an argument in favor of tree >> view preferences instead of tabs. >> I think we will quickly exceed a reasonable number of tabs in order to >> accommodate having all the preferences in one place, especially given that >> we will only have more and more features to bring us closer to feature >> parity with more advanced ECAD software and those features will sometimes >> come with their own preferences. >> >> -Jon >> >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Jeff Young <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Yes, but not for 5.0. >> >> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748680 >> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748680> (most of the Kicad menu >> items will be app settings). >> >> But this reminds me that I should probably add a task to tabularize pcbnew’s >> preferences like we did with eeschema. >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff. >> >> >>> On 21 Feb 2018, at 13:07, Bernhard Stegmaier <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just to mention… it has been like this before the patches. >>> At least on macOS, there is still a “Preferences” menu entry below the >>> “KiCad” menu bar entry (the “General Settings” dialog). >>> Then, there is the “Preferences” menu… without those “General Setting”. >>> >>> Because there is a “Preferences” menu bar entry I didn’t look anywhere else >>> for the general settings. >>> Took me quite a while to find them in the “KiCad” menu bar entry. >>> >>> Any plans to change this? >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bernhard >>> >>>> On 20. Feb 2018, at 08:17, Nick Østergaard <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Michael and Jeff, >>>> >>>> It seems like we got our first small regression from this patch series. >>>> Could you have a look. Please note it looks like it is window manager >>>> dependent. >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1750494 >>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1750494> >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> 2018-02-18 23:03 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>> Indeed I did forget. Thanks for the reminder. Thank you Jeff for the >>>> patches. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/18/2018 03:02 PM, Michael Kavanagh wrote: >>>> Thanks Wayne. Please don't forget to merge Jeffs dialog changes which >>>> complete the Pcbnew menubar modifications. I have reattached them to >>>> this email for convenience. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> On 18 February 2018 at 19:16, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Michael, >>>> >>>> I figured out why we are not using IS_ACCELERATOR for these menu entries. >>>> AddHotkeyName() adds a "+Alt+" to the hotkey so this is *not* what we want >>>> so I used the original 0003 patch. I apologize for the confusion. I >>>> merged >>>> this and you 0004 patch. We can make any tweaks to it if it's not exactly >>>> what we want. Thank you for your contribution to KiCad. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/18/2018 10:10 AM, Michael Kavanagh wrote: >>>> >>>> In every other app New, Open, Save, Save As and Print are standard >>>> hotkeys and not accelerators. They don't have the modifier key, so are >>>> the "standard" keyboard shortcuts. >>>> >>>> Nevertheless, please find attached new patches for review. These >>>> accompany both of Jeffs dialog patches. Hopefully I didn't break >>>> anything, implementing the sketch modes removed from the dialogs >>>> involved fiddling with the GAL tools framework. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> On 17 February 2018 at 17:27, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It should be. We really need to get out of the bad habit of having >>>> toolbar only access to tools and settings. I'm sure there are some in >>>> the schematic editor, symbol editor, and footprint editor as well. >>>> >>>> On 02/17/2018 06:16 AM, Jeff Young wrote: >>>> >>>> The Fill/Outline stuff is included. Not sure about High Contrast mode, >>>> but it probably should be. >>>> >>>> On 17 Feb 2018, at 06:58, Gaurav Juvekar <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Probably not too relevant, but can we have a workaround of >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1575097 >>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1575097> (hidden icons) by adding >>>> View -> High Contrast (Checkable like the "Flip board view") >>>> View -> Tracks -> Outline (Radio button like the canvas selector) >>>> -> Fill >>>> View -> Vias -> Outline >>>> -> Fill >>>> View -> Pads -> Outline >>>> -> Fill >>>> >>>> to the menu entries? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> Gaurav Juvekar >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers 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