Ian bell wrote:

>>
>>The Europeans are clearly one of the leaders in the Open Source 
>>movement, though I believe that is also indicative of the more 
>>collaborative nature of businesses and business partnerships in 
>>Europe. 
> 
> 
> I tend to agree. From what I have seen of US corporate culture, it is 
> very different from that in Europe.


I would say that much more commercial development is done in the USA 
than Europe. The European software industry is, by and large, limited to
'local' software such as accounts, web page content and whatever. I 
think this is a management issue most of all. Whilst technical staff 
seem to have no problem in pan european cooperation, small and middle 
sized companies tend to be very fuzzy at a commercial level when it 
comes to spanning boundries. Interestingly, US companies are generally 
far better at operating in a pan European manner than the European 
companies themselves.

In my neck of the woods (which is near KiCAD's 'home') I know of **no** 
software houses which are creating commercial software for the general 
market. This means there are many capable programmers who spend thier 
days doing simple and unrewarding jobs such as report generation, and 
hence in thier spare time they like to get thier teeth into real projects.

Promising startups in Europe, both OS and commercial frequently fail to 
spread out over Europe until they get 'Americanised'. Examples:

Star Office was a German Office suite, and despite being developed just 
a stones throw from the industrial areas of northen Italy, it was 
virtually unknown here. The Star Office developers took the product to 
the US where Sun turned it into Open Office, and it has become well 
known in Italy.

Linus Torvalds moved to the USA in order to further his career in Linux 
development.

Likewise the german SuSE Linux distribution became much more widely 
known in Europe after Novell's takeover.

By contrast, look at companies that stay Europen. Target and EasyPC are 
extremely valid products when compared with Eagle. Yet Eagle is far 
better known on a global scale and they have a distributor in Italy, 
which the European companies do not have. In the Italian electronics 
industry everybody knows of Orcad, Eagle, Protel, PadsPC etc. yet the 
two leading commercial commercial European competitors, not mention 
KiCAD, are virtually unknown.


If Europeans, as persons, are good at collaborating, European companies 
are not. There are many attempts to change this at an EU level, for 
example there are incentive programs for projects which involve 
comapnies in more than 1 EU member state. And yet the culture does not 
change. Take the 3 EDA packages mentioned previously, Target, EasyPC and 
KiCAD. Target valiously attempt to maintain thier own libraries 
updatable via Internet, and yet it is clearly a strain to keep pace. 
EasyPC have taken the approach of offering a commercial extended library 
package as an "extra" in order to recuperate the costs. If they had any 
common sense they would get thier heads together and maintain a common 
library package in order to better compete with the American majors such 
as Cadence. In this ng there has been much talk about the library 
limitations and quality of the KiCAD libraries. I have doubts that an 
ad-hoc user contributed library could ever reach the quality of well 
maintained commercial libraries. Users posting symbols they create to a 
central site is one thing, but carefully maintaining lists of thousands 
of components is a boring and time consuming task that only an idiot 
would want to do in thier free time. So, EasyPC and Target can go one 
bit further, not only do they colaborate on a central library, but they 
incorporate KiCAD into the game, offering commercialy maintaned library 
packages for use with all the products. It is the type of collaboration 
that European companies must learn if they are to grow.

But why stop at software. We are all in the electronics industry, right, 
and here there is little difference. My top supplier is Digikey. They 
ship from a central wharehouse in USA and I can usually get nearly 
everything I need from stock and delivered in 2 or 3 days. Surely a 
European supplier should be able to go at least one day better?

RS have an Italian base, including a wharehose in Milan. But the 
wharehouse in Milan does not stock everthing, so more often than not the 
goods are shipped in part from Milan and in another shipment from Corby. 
Interestingly the UK package often arrives sooner than the Milan 
package, any which way the goods are shipped as two seperate courier 
deliveries. I imagine the situation is similar with the other local 
bases in Europe. But RS have nothing like the range of electronics items 
that Digikey have, and the prices are sky high. Would it be stupid to 
suggest that they redesign on the basis of single European hub? It would 
save them money (reduce prices) reduce courier costs, and allow them to 
stock a larger inventory.

Farnell by contrast ship from the UK, but not all thier compnents are 
local, they have a partnership with Newark components in the US. But if 
your order includes US items then you get extended delivery times and 
major shipping costs.....you are better off just ordering all from a US 
major such as Digikey!

Conrad are a big german distributor who have teamed up with Target so 
that target libraries even have Conrad part number and prices in thier 
attributes field. Great if you want to limit your design to Conrad 
components, but thier selection is quite limited and again sometimes pricey.

But by now you have got the picture. Unless these companies start 
thinking on a true European scale with centralised operations and 
partnerships between themselves for stocking ranges of electronic 
components then they will find themselves struggling to compete with US 
distributors despite the (theoretical) extra day and costs in delivery 
times.

And finally some self criticism. I am English but based in NW Italy. 
Here the electronics industry is very much in the doldrums, and I have 
to scratch around for work. I invariably scratch around in Italy, but 
have no excuse for this. I have worked with companies as far away as 
Bologna, Veneto and Rome. There is a thiving electronics industry in 
Munich, which is nearer to me than Rome. There is a splintering of 
electronics activity in the area to the east of Lyons (Grenoble is 2 
hours drive from here). Not to mention switzerland (Geneva 3 hours) 
which whilst not being in the Eurozone does have trade agreements. Many 
people cite language as a barrier, well althougth I speak fluent 
Italian, if I need to prepare a formal offer or specification I 
invariably get it re-written by an Italian as formal Italian is very 
sophisticated. By contrast inter-european business, at least in western 
europe, is invariably done in English, where I am at an advantage. There 
is not even a beurocracy excuse. Dealing with other EU coutries I do not 
need any customs paperwork or anything, just a normal delivery note and 
invoice as I would need in Italy. Yet I don't do it. I cannot imagine a 
small company in Boston having a block about working for a comapny in, 
say, Austin or Seattle, but the geographical differences are far 
greater. On a geographical scale it is like the Boston based company 
looking for work in the Maine and ignoring e.g. New York or Chicago.

So there we have it. We Europeans are victims of our own introvert and 
introspective narrow minded outlook, and it seems only American 
companies can unite us. Perhaps it is because American companies are 
full of people from different European roots. Let's face it, if you go 
into Cadence I bet you can find plenty of people from Italian, German, 
Scotish, English, Spanish ......etc etc origins. You will never find 
such a mix in a European company!





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