On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 22:25 +0100, John J Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Python wrote:
> [...]
> > I've also had grief with easy_install
> > many options did not seem to work
>
> Which ones?
I can't say now. It seemed to be differences within packages and my
computer environment. I did not keep careful notes. Even the "just
download the package and do nothing" option failed. Phillip suggested
-meb.
which finally worked, but was not obvious from the docs.
>
>
> > other things simply went wrong
> > some packages were defective in various ways in their EZ setup
>
> I'm trying not to go too far OT here, but one can consider all Python
> projects as falling into two categories: those which explicitly support
> setuptools, and those that do not. I've not had much problem with the
> former (Django being one peculiar exception). The latter I've not had
> much trouble with either, but those that do not work, one should install
> according to that project's own installation instructions. What's
> problematic with that? -- I mean this as a real question, not a rhetorial
> one (and I mean what's problematic specifically on that issue, please
> don't take all questions as a ranting opportunity -- not saying anybody
> has or will do that, just warning against that danger ;-)
>
> The general problem of supporting all distutils scripts is impossible
> (because "all distutils scripts" isn't really a well-defined category of
> programs, and because people can and do put arbitrary piles of code in
> their setup.py files), but I see no especially bad consequences of that.
>
> What specific problems have people had with kid?
>
>
> > The operation is rather opaque and the documentation kind of assumed the
> > simple cases just worked. When operations fail, the trouble shooting
> > steps are not obvious.
>
> it's obvious with plain-distutils? You're a better programmer than I am
> :-)
I doubt it.
All of the files and configuration info for distutils is in
understandable file formats. eggs are rather difficult if you can't get
the egg manipulation tools to work.
>
>
> > I think we are very close to achieving reliable operation everywhere,
> > but I would be a bit more sympathetic to the grumblers. You just don't
> > know how many people gave up and "walked off" when EZ proved to be
> > difficult.
> [...]
>
> I'm not sure what you're coming from there (I'm not offended, just
> puzzled). I intended to be helpful, polite and honest. Sympathy wasn't
> high on the list...
To the extent the reply embodied: "...it works for me." and "...read the
docs", I think the reply glossed over the real difficulties people have
had in the past with easy_install.
I did not mean to focus attention on past problems. Install issues were
solved for me when Linux repositories included kid and other Python
packages. Clearly the repository maintainers were able to get the
package installed and I suspect that the recent increase in packaged
Python modules may well have been due to easy_install simplifying things
for packagers. I expect that the next time I need to use easy_install
it will be working for me too.
>
>
> John
>
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