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NATO: Interview -- Secretary-General Robertson On Central Asia
By Askold Krushelnycky

NATO Secretary-General George Robertson is due to visit four Central Asian 
countries next week. In a phone interview, he tells RFE/RL correspondent 
Askold Krushelnycky what he hopes the trip will yield and what he wants to 
achieve during his tenure as head of the military alliance.

Prague, 28 June 2000 (RFE/RL) -- In recent years, the 19-member NATO alliance 
has sought to establish the same sort of ties with Central Asian countries as 
it did earlier with former Warsaw Pact countries in Central and Eastern 
Europe. George Robertson, who became NATO's secretary-general last year, 
wants to deepen those ties when he heads to the region next week. In a 
telephone interview, he told RFE/RL:

"I would hope in going to Central Asia I would underline the importance of 
this region to NATO and to the West in general. It is an area of enormous 
importance and significance thanks to its history and its ethnic, religious, 
and linguistic composition. And, of course, its economic potential and its 
geopolitical location have pushed it right up to the top of the agenda. So 
I'll be taking a message of friendship and of partnership, and I'll be in 
many ways emphasizing my own commitment to making sure that we build 
partnership and cooperation with the countries of Central Asia."

Robertson will visit Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Turkmenistan. 
Those countries have been members of NATO's Partnership for Peace program 
since the mid-1990s. And all of them participate in the Euro-Atlantic 
Partnership Council, or EAPC, where 47 nations discuss and plan cooperative 
activities. Robertson said he is hoping for even greater cooperation:

"I believe there are a lot of new opportunities for cooperation to come about 
-- in the defense field, in the area of defense reform, of civil emergency 
planning, of the NATO Science for Peace project, in the environmental 
programs that NATO runs. All of these are areas which are outlined in the 
Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council's action plan for the next two years. and 
they are all areas where the Central Asian republics could play a bigger part 
and find themselves really then in the mainstream of cooperative and 
partnership activities, which would bring them in line not just with Russia 
and their immediate neighbors, but also the countries of western Europe and 
the United States."

Last week, CIS defense ministers -- Central Asian ministers among them -- 
attended a meeting in Moscow where Russia was once again seen as trying to 
strengthen its influence in Central Asia. But Robertson said he does not 
foresee potential tension over Central Asia between NATO and Russia:

"There's absolutely no competition between the NATO countries and Russia over 
activities in the Central Asian area. It is the opposite of competition. We 
want cooperation, and indeed Russia's new rapprochement with NATO gives us an 
ideal opportunity of giving that signal loud and clear: that we're interested 
in building a more stable and a more predictable part of the world where 
there is an enormous potential for trouble. And it's in the interests of both 
Russia and of the West that we cooperate to the maximum extent in these 
areas."

Earlier this month, the three Baltic countries -- all keen to join NATO -- 
expressed concern that the alliance would not allow them to join because of 
Russia's strong opposition to NATO's eastward expansion. Robertson said that 
he is pleased that relations with Russia, which had cooled because of last 
year's NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, have recently warmed. But he 
makes it clear that Russia does not have a veto on any country's application 
to join NATO -- even the countries of central Asia.

"Every country has the right to make its own choice and its own security 
arrangements, and obviously Russia has got a centuries-long tradition in that 
area. But on the other hand, the countries of that area also want to make 
contact with the West and, through the Partnership for Peace, with NATO -- 
and I think that the combination of the two adds up to a very successful 
formula."

But he said that any discussion today of NATO considering a new status for 
the Central Asian countries would be premature:

"Well, I think we've got to walk before we run, and that is why I'm very keen 
that the Central Asian countries get more engaged in the Partnership for 
Peace. That offers exercises, it offers training, it offers attendance at 
NATO colleges, English-language training, and a lot of cooperation in civil 
emergency planning, NATO's Science for Peace program, and indeed the NATO 
environmental program. So these are areas where I want much more activity to 
take place in the Central Asian countries."

Robertson said he hopes that Central Asian countries could become involved in 
peacekeeping operations alongside NATO, and he discussed that possibility 
with Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbaev, who visited NATO headquarters in 
Brussels this week.

"I think it's a very realistic goal, because of course there already is the 
embryo of a peacekeeping battalion for Central Asia -- it's called Centrasbat 
-- and it's something that I've spoken about with the president of 
Kazakhstan, President Nazarbaev, when he visited NATO headquarters. And I've 
got high hopes that they will be able to put in place, maybe in Bosnia or 
Kosovo, that battalion -- both to help the peacekeeping that is going on 
there and also as a very visible signal that the countries of Central Asia 
are coming together and are developing their own positive links between 
themselves."

Robertson said that some of the Central Asian countries have already shown 
their desire for closer cooperation with NATO:

"In Uzbekistan, we've got a country that is already engaging with the 
alliance in a broad spectrum of consultations and cooperation activities. For 
example, in response to the hostage crisis in southern Kyrgyzstan last 
summer, the EAPC has conducted a series of consultations of direct interest 
to the countries in question. So this whole issue here of the fight against 
terrorism is one of the priority issues of the Partnership for Peace."

International human rights watchdogs and Western governments have criticized 
poor democratic standards and frequent human rights abuses in Kazakhstan, 
Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and, to a lesser extent, in Kyrgyzstan. But 
Robertson said he does not believe NATO's contact with these countries 
implies that the alliance condones their shortcomings, nor that it harms 
NATO's image.

"One of the benefits that we get through the Partnership for Peace and the 
Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council is to spread the message about the rule of 
law, about democratic institutions, about democratic control of the military 
and the benefits of applying democratic norms to the development of a 
country. So, although there are those who raise questions about the state of 
democracy in some of the Central Asian countries, we believe that engagement 
with countries allows better opportunity for preaching and showing the 
lessons of how democracy is actually good, not just for a country's vitality, 
but also for its economic progress."

Some of the former Soviet republics have formed military ties among 
themselves, such as the GUUAM countries -- Georgia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, 
Azerbaijan, and Moldova. GUUAM nations have said that one of the main roles 
of a joint military unit will be to protect oil pipelines running westwards 
from Azerbaijan. Their alliance is also seen as an attempt to counter the 
political and economic might of their recent colonial master, Russia.

Asked about whether NATO would help in the development of GUUAM, Robertson 
said: 

"Very much so, because NATO is not in the business of trying to replace 
existing cooperative structures in this or any other region. And indeed, we 
have tried in the past to develop cooperation between countries, whether it 
is bilateral or multilateral. And indeed, the GUUAM countries took the 
opportunity at the recent EAPC ministerial meeting in Florence, in Italy, to 
have a GUUAM ministerial meeting at that point. So there are a whole series 
of regional set-ups which exist and, insofar as they bring countries together 
in a cooperative way to deal with common problems, then NATO very much 
encourages that and will continue to support it."

Robertson said he sees his mission as building on NATO's work so far. He said 
the alliance's achievements consist, first, of keeping the peace with its 
Warsaw Pact adversaries for 40 years, and then playing a key role in bringing 
peace to Bosnia and Kosovo, where NATO troops went into action for the first 
time in NATO's history. He then described what he wants to accomplish in the 
future:

"I see the next period for NATO in shaping the peace, shaping the security 
environment for a generation to come and that is where the Partnership for 
Peace and the EAPC and indeed NATO enlargement fit into that process."

Robertson also said he believes that Ukraine is an essential piece in 
Europe's security architecture:

"I see the relationship with Ukraine as being critically important to the 
eastern part of the European continent. And it's a very good relationship, 
which took the whole of the North Atlantic Council to Kyiv earlier this year."

The NATO secretary-general said that he hopes improving relations with Russia 
and growing cooperation among the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council will 
produce a zone of stability and predictability that will help prevent the 
recurrence of past troubles.


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