>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 03:05:51 EDT >Subject: Fwd: [Iskra] Oleg Shein Replies to Infantile Isayev > >In a message dated 28/09/00 13:17:46 Greenwich Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes: > >> Subj: [Iskra] Oleg Shein Replies to Infantile Isayev >> Date: 28/09/00 13:17:46 Greenwich Standard Time >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> Comrades, >> The e-mail following this one is an article, "A Virtual Strike" by >> Oleg Shein, a response to the article by Grigory Isayev , "Smooth >Operators & >> >> Tricksters in Government", put on ISKRA on 25th September. >> >> I have just got back from Prague and ISWoR activists had a good visible >> impact making many useful links - and I am very tired. But just a quick >> point >> before I sleep. I will be writing up my own response to this debate, >perhaps >> >> titled, "The Samara Stachkom Myth from Cyberspace" - echoing Oleg's title >"A >> >> Virtual Strike". Isayev and Kotelni'kov were the first Russian comrades >> ISWoR >> came into contact with almost 2 years ago, because of their privileged >> access >> to the internet. Even before we met Oleg Shein and comrades from the Union >> of >> Marxists and others, we had become aware of the fraudulent claims of this >> breast beating beast emanating over the internet. >> >> Vladimir Bilenkin got taken-in by their grand empty words some years ago, >> giving them money, computers and internet access. But he has learnt >> something >> since. Then Malecki came in support, but Isayev deserves this one. Then >> Perry >> Vodchik, who is still under the spell, has taken over Bilenkin's role - no >> doubt a sincere comrade, but one who is hypnotised, surrounded by the >> glittering stars magically manufactured by Isayev - in cyberspace. Then >the >> loose association the MWG and a few of their comrades in other countries >did >> >> the same thing - no doubt losing money in the process, but I think that >they >> >> have now stopped funding the Samara bunker now (can they clarifiy). Just >> recently, good comrades like Heli and Pia in Helsinki have also been >fooled >> by the empty words - but I know they will learn quickly in this debate, >> hopefully before they respond to the many money requests they will be >> receiving from Samara's bunker. They can keep the Keller's and Malecki's >of >> this world - but I hope that Perry Vodchik corrects his mistake. >> >> ISWoR never got taken in by Samara Stachkom and the so-called Party of >> Dictatorship of the Proletariat - and we never sent them any money >ourselves >> >> - despite their continuous personal appeals to us. ISWoR did make an >appeal >> for solidarity with an All-Russia Stachkom Conference a long time ago - >when >> >> it was correct to do so. It should also be said that I do not see >Zaschita, >> Oleg Shein, and the Movement for a Workers Party through rose-tinted >> spectacles, I see great strengths, but also some weaknesses, particularly >in >> >> the need to be more vigorous in their opposition to nationalism, racism >and >> events like the Chechen war. But the comrades know this - and we discuss >> these questions with them - as comrades. There is no blank cheque from me, >> there is no automatic solidarity. >> >> I fully endorse the article, "The Virtual Strike" by Oleg Shein - as it >> represents the truth from our own experiences. There are also many other >> criticisms I have of the ultra-left infantile Isayev and his few "virtual >> Marxists" in the Samara bunker (their HQ, as they call it, which is in >fact >> more like a drinking den) - and these things I will now write up as part >of >> this necessary clarification. >> >> I had hoped that "the Samara Two" - Isayev and Kotelnikov - would have >been >> learning lessons from the growth of Zaschita and the emergence of the >> multi-tendency Movement for a Workers Party, but their recent frenzied >> attack >> on these movements that are organically linked into and leading the >militant >> >> working class struggles in Russia - demonstrates they cannot learn. >> >> The fact that ISWoR's growth and influence in supporting actual workers >> struggles in Russia, and not this cyberspace-sect, has meant the Samara >> bunker funds are drying out - and maybe worse - their heads too. This is >the >> >> material source of the frenzied attack on those who lead and win physical >> class battles, as Shein just did with the victorious Gazprom workers in >> Astrakhan. >> >> Steve Myers London - 28 Sept >> > >> >> KARL MARX "The emancipation of the working class must be conquered by the >> working class itself ... it is also the emancipation of all human beings >> without distinction of race or sex." > > >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >Content-Disposition: inline > >Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by >air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.3) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:17:46 -0400 >Received: from fl.egroups.com (fl.egroups.com [208.50.144.74]) by >rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:17:17 -0400 >X-eGroups-Return: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Received: from [10.1.10.35] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2000 12:39:49 >-0000 >X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 28 Sep 2000 12:39:45 -0000 >Received: (qmail 18268 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2000 12:39:45 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Sep 2000 >12:39:45 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.4) by mta1 with >SMTP; 28 Sep 2000 12:39:45 -0000 >Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id >a.a3.bd9433d (4418) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:39:38 -0400 >(EDT) >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:39:37 EDT >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Iskra] Oleg Shein Replies to Infantile Isayev >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Comrades, > The e-mail following this one is an article, "A Virtual Strike" by >Oleg Shein, a response to the article by Grigory Isayev , "Smooth Operators & >Tricksters in Government", put on ISKRA on 25th September. > >I have just got back from Prague and ISWoR activists had a good visible >impact making many useful links - and I am very tired. But just a quick point >before I sleep. I will be writing up my own response to this debate, perhaps >titled, "The Samara Stachkom Myth from Cyberspace" - echoing Oleg's title "A >Virtual Strike". Isayev and Kotelni'kov were the first Russian comrades ISWoR >came into contact with almost 2 years ago, because of their privileged access >to the internet. Even before we met Oleg Shein and comrades from the Union of >Marxists and others, we had become aware of the fraudulent claims of this >breast beating beast emanating over the internet. > >Vladimir Bilenkin got taken-in by their grand empty words some years ago, >giving them money, computers and internet access. But he has learnt something >since. Then Malecki came in support, but Isayev deserves this one. Then Perry >Vodchik, who is still under the spell, has taken over Bilenkin's role - no >doubt a sincere comrade, but one who is hypnotised, surrounded by the >glittering stars magically manufactured by Isayev - in cyberspace. Then the >loose association the MWG and a few of their comrades in other countries did >the same thing - no doubt losing money in the process, but I think that they >have now stopped funding the Samara bunker now (can they clarifiy). Just >recently, good comrades like Heli and Pia in Helsinki have also been fooled >by the empty words - but I know they will learn quickly in this debate, >hopefully before they respond to the many money requests they will be >receiving from Samara's bunker. They can keep the Keller's and Malecki's of >this world - but I hope that Perry Vodchik corrects his mistake. > >ISWoR never got taken in by Samara Stachkom and the so-called Party of >Dictatorship of the Proletariat - and we never sent them any money ourselves >- despite their continuous personal appeals to us. ISWoR did make an appeal >for solidarity with an All-Russia Stachkom Conference a long time ago - when >it was correct to do so. It should also be said that I do not see Zaschita, >Oleg Shein, and the Movement for a Workers Party through rose-tinted >spectacles, I see great strengths, but also some weaknesses, particularly in >the need to be more vigorous in their opposition to nationalism, racism and >events like the Chechen war. But the comrades know this - and we discuss >these questions with them - as comrades. There is no blank cheque from me, >there is no automatic solidarity. > >I fully endorse the article, "The Virtual Strike" by Oleg Shein - as it >represents the truth from our own experiences. There are also many other >criticisms I have of the ultra-left infantile Isayev and his few "virtual >Marxists" in the Samara bunker (their HQ, as they call it, which is in fact >more like a drinking den) - and these things I will now write up as part of >this necessary clarification. > >I had hoped that "the Samara Two" - Isayev and Kotelnikov - would have been >learning lessons from the growth of Zaschita and the emergence of the >multi-tendency Movement for a Workers Party, but their recent frenzied attack >on these movements that are organically linked into and leading the militant >working class struggles in Russia - demonstrates they cannot learn. > >The fact that ISWoR's growth and influence in supporting actual workers >struggles in Russia, and not this cyberspace-sect, has meant the Samara >bunker funds are drying out - and maybe worse - their heads too. This is the >material source of the frenzied attack on those who lead and win physical >class battles, as Shein just did with the victorious Gazprom workers in >Astrakhan. > >Steve Myers London - 28 Sept >---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > >KARL MARX "The emancipation of the working class must be conquered by the >working class itself ... it is also the emancipation of all human beings >without distinction of race or sex." > > _______________________________________________________ KOMINFORM P.O. Box 66 00841 Helsinki - Finland +358-40-7177941, fax +358-9-7591081 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kominf.pp.fi _______________________________________________________ Kominform list for general information. Subscribe/unsubscribe messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anti-Imperialism list for anti-imperialist news. Subscribe/unsubscribe messages: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________________
