May I ask then, why do you defend Milosevic? For Communism, Milan ----- Original Message ----- From: Macdonald Stainsby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 09:29 PM Subject: Re: PCN-NCP response statement
> No. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Partija rada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:22 AM > Subject: Re: PCN-NCP response statement > > > > Comrade Macdonald! > > Can you, then, or your friends from PCN-NCP, tell us what was socialistic in > > politic lead by Milosevic and his SPS? > > For Communism, > > Milan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Macdonald Stainsby > > > > > > > Dear John L and Heikki S: > > > > > > Since it was partly me who called the alarm on these people (the term > > National > > > Bolshevik is a Neo-Nazi name in North America), I feel obliged in all > > fairness > > > to allow them at least this one statement that I received. > > > > > > I am quite leery of a group that has "Europe for the Europeans" on their > > > webpage. Perhaps they can tell me if this is simply a bad translation. I > > am > > > also, unlike many here, one who defends Milosevic- and Pugliese likes to > > try and > > > bait me into fights for this all of the time- but a group needs far more > > than > > > that in my opinion- and some others who defend Milosevic are quite shady > > indeed. > > > > > > In the interests of keeping an open mind, here is the statement: > > > ----- > > > PCN-NCP Webteam > > > > > > =========================================== > > > > > > PCN-NCP ANSWER TO THE ATTACKS OF ITS ADVERSARIES ! > > > > > > The incredible confusion of some comrades concerning > > > the nature of the PCN-NCP force us to intervene. It's > > > astonishing to note how disinformation often finds > > > more echo than the truth in the Marxist-Leninists > > > forums. The bad knowledge of history, of the reality > > > of the current anti-imperialist fight, and of the > > > bases of Leninism provokes serious mistakes of > > > interpretation. The PCN-NCP, which attentively read > > > all the critics addressed by various forum members, > > > decided to publish this global answer. > > > > > > > > > 1) ABOUT OUR IDEOLOGY : > > > > > > What are National-bolshevism and National-communism ? > > > it is astonishing that a lot of comrades don't know > > > the history of this current within Marxism-Leninism. > > > Yet, a good historic knowledge of proletarian > > > struggles is absolutely necessary to our > > > anticapitalist fight. We hope that the following > > > answer will wake up our sincere leninist comrades > > > deceived by reactionary propaganda. > > > > > > National-bolshevism was born following LENIN's > > > patriotic calls when bolsheviks faced the white > > > armies. Some intellectuals and militants understood to > > > this time the role of Russia, as first Communist > > > State, all over the world in the diffusion of the > > > Marxism. It is why National-bolshevism was > > > historically allied with LENINE and STALIN who > > > defended, against the utopian internationalists, the > > > necessity to guarantee the survival of the Communist > > > State as first stage of the revolution. > > > > > > National-bolshevism was born of patriotic Communism, > > > opposite to chauvinism. We hope that this purely > > > leninist distinction between patriotism and chauvinism > > > is known of our comrades. The first > > > National-bolshevism is the one of LENIN and STALIN: it > > > is an interpretation of the geopolitics reality of > > > Russia. And then, it is in Germany that > > > National-bolshevism expressed itself after 1918. First > > > in the KAPD, the German Working Communist Party, in a > > > leftist « version » criticized by Lenin (our comrades > > > assuredly know this text), and then in the resistance > > > group « Widerstand » of the anti-nazi militant Ernst > > > NIEKISCH. > > > > > > For a communist militant, not knowing who is Ernst > > > NIEKISCH is astonishing. He and its resistance's > > > network "WIDERSTAND" were the first to resist to > > > HITLER from 1933. He was jailed in the Nazi camps in > > > 1937 and participated in the foundation of the DDR. > > > NIEKISCH is the founder of the German > > > National-bolshevism, and he helped to found the DDR > > > because he believed that the construction of the > > > national Communism was a necessary stage to the > > > diffusion of Leninism. His antifascist ideology > > > didn't have anything in common with the so-called « > > > left fascism », which was only a mystifying rhetoric. > > > We refer to the reading of WEISENBORN, who describes > > > NIEKISCH as one of biggest resistant to Nazism. We > > > hope that our comrades know this author. > > > > > > The history of National-bolshevism prolongs itself > > > after World War II. The DDR, Romania of CEAUSESCU, > > > Korea of KIM IL SUNG, the Maoist China, are examples > > > of national construction of Communism that opposed to > > > the soviet revisionism. It is the militant Jean > > > THIRIART who proposed the first the idea of a modern > > > National-bolshevism, aiming to lean on the Communist > > > nation model to found a continental Europe > > > centralized, united and progressive. He was in > > > contact with the Maoist China (ZOU ENLAI received him > > > for a long time in Bucharest in 1966, interview > > > prepared by CEAUCESCU), the DDR, and with the > > > progressive nations of the third-world, of which he > > > admitted the useful character for the world > > > revolution. It is why he supported PERON in Argentina, > > > who made a lot for proletarians of his country, let's > > > recall it. Our comrades probably know that CHE GUEVARA > > > was a friend of peronists in exile in years 60 and > > > that the guerrilla warfare of peronist montoneros was > > > guevarist and tupamarist. > > > > > > Communist militant before 1940, THIRIART was not > > > fascist, and he considered the Stalinism like a > > > version of the National-bolshevism that it was > > > necessary to apply in whole Europe. He liquidated the > > > right wing of its organization, « JEUNE EUROPE », that > > > became then one of the rare sincere revolutionary > > > organizations to the time where the pseudo-Maoists and > > > the petty-burgesses of May 68 messed up > > > Marxism-Leninism with their neo-consumerists slogans. > > > Let's add that since 1965, THIRIART supported > > > Palestinian struggle. Roger COUDROY, the first > > > European who fall in Palestine in the ranks of the > > > FATAH in 1967, was member of our Organization. > > > > > > The PCN-NCP is the heir of the Russian, Stalinist, > > > National-bolshevism, of the German, anti-nazi, > > > National-bolshevism, and of the pro-European > > > National-bolshevism of Thiriart. We want the > > > destruction of old European chauvinist nations, to > > > build a socialist European State that will be the > > > first stage of the European and international > > > revolution. Why a European nation ? Because the > > > logical basis of the struggle against the American > > > capitalist empire requires a strong Europe, capable to > > > unite all sincere leninists militants. We just prolong > > > here STALIN's thought. > > > > > > The PCN-NCP fights for many years false > > > National-bolsheviks, Russian and Anglo-Saxon red-brown > > > provocators. They are reactionary traitors. They use > > > National-bolshevism to diffuse a traditionalist > > > ideology close to the thought of Julius Evola, Italian > > > theoretician of fascism. We regret that our leninist > > > comrades confound the historic, progressive and > > > antifascist National-bolshevism, with the action of > > > some isolated provocators and traitors that are > > > harmful to our reputation. This clarification will be > > > assuredly sufficient to alert them on this problem and > > > to prove them that the PCN-NCP and its > > > National-bolshevism, if they defend a particular > > > interpretation of Stalinism, is also a group of > > > progressive militants. > > > > > > 2) ABOUT EUROPE AND RACISM : > > > > > > For us Europe is the POINT OF DEPARTURE, the setting, > > > of a socialist ideology that have universal, > > > TRANSNATIONAL, vocation, that we call the « European > > > Communautarism ». It rests on values : pre-eminence of > > > solidarity, community, social justice, society without > > > class. This project is the exact opposite of the > > > American anti-civilisation (for more of details: cfr > > > http://www.pcn-ncp.com/youthcamp2001.htm). > > > > > > The members of the EUROPEAN NATION, conceived on the > > > revolutionary republican model of 1793, are all those > > > that adhere to this project, without any ethnic, > > > linguistic, religious, social or territorial > > > distinction. We conceive Europe on geopolitic and > > > transnational basis, from Quebec to Vladivostok and > > > widened to the two strands of the Mediterranean.. The > > > key of this Europe is the European citizenship. The > > > European Communautarism is therefore fundamentally > > > Anti-racist. > > > > > > It's what the PCN-NCP puts in practice since 15 years, > > > presenting on its electoral lists in Belgium and in > > > France candidates and militants from North Africa and > > > East Europe (our first secretary-general was Hungarian > > > and was born political refugee and stateless). For > > > instance, among the first five candidates of the > > > PCN-NCP list at the European elections of 1999, two > > > Arabics and Africans were represented. > > > > > > The PCN-NCP fight for the immediate entrance of all > > > countries of the East (also Russia), of Turkey and all > > > countries of North Africa in the European Union. > > > Position that our Organization defends since 1965 and > > > the PCN-NCP since its foundation in 1984. > > > Internationally, the PCN-NCP has an intense activity. > > > We regularly participate to the political meetings and > > > seminaries in Africa. Our secretary-general present is > > > the coordinator-general of the " International > > > Movement for the Democratic Direct " (MIDD-CR), > > > international association whose seat is in Tripoli. > > > > > > 3) ABOUT FASCISM : > > > > > > We fight the far-right because we assume the political > > > and ideological inheritance of our National-bolcheviks > > > predecessors. We don't forget the sacrifice of our > > > German comrades that knew the Nazi concentration > > > camps, the deportations, executions, the torture. > > > > > > We support the fight for dignity, liberty, socialism > > > and liberation nationalism of « WIDERSTAND » > > > fighters of the group of Ernst NIEKISCH, of the « > > > Group Hielsher », of the « Circle of Kreisau », of > > > the courageous fighters of July 20, 1944, of the > > > German militants of the « RED ORCHESTRA » (whose both > > > leaders HARNACK and SCHULZE-BOYSEN were former > > > national-bolshevik militants). The « red triangle » > > > was a mark of infamy in the nazi concentration camps : > > > we are proud to wear it today as a mark of honor. > > > > > > The PCN-NCP is in first line of the fight against the > > > reborn of Nazism in Europe. Our Party engaged itself > > > in first line in order to destroy the different > > > components of the far-right in countries where it is > > > implanted. In Belgium, the PCN-NCP has prevented, by > > > its electoral, administrative and judicial actions, > > > the different splits of the FN from getting the public > > > financing of the Belgian state. It permitted the > > > invalidation of several seats of deputies. > > > > > > The importance of our action against the neo-nazi > > > far-right drove the PCN-NCP to endow itself of a > > > specialized structure, created in September 1997, the > > > « RESISTANCE EUROPEAN-EUROPAISCHE WIDERSTAND > > > Collective » destined to build and to plan our > > > offensives. For our readers that read French, it's > > > possible to consult: http://widerstand.multimania.com > > > . They will read here in details our actions since 10 > > > years against the Belgian NATIONAL FRONT, the Belgian > > > and French neo-nazi groups and the FN of LE PEN. In > > > 1998, the PCN-NCP presented candidates in Toulon > > > (France) in an election against the FN mayor of this > > > city. Our list titled « Youth against LE PEN, for > > > the interdiction of the National Front ». > > > > > > Judge us on our ideas and our acts. > > > Not on phantasms, on amalgams or on positions that are > > > those of our adversaries. > > > > > > The European Central Committee of the PCN-NCP.
