On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:50:27AM -0700, Rachel Garrett wrote:
> On 4/20/05, Stewart Stremler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > It's that the target market for Linspire
> > (aka Lindows) are those of unwashed masses who are going to use the machine
> > in a single-user frame of mind.  And whats-his-face's assertion that there
> > is no security problem in that case is distressingly hard to refute.
> 
> I am confused. If these single-user systems get attacked and
> compromised while they're running as root, the attacker can do a lot
> more to the system than if the person was running as something other
> than root. E.g., the attacker can hide the fact that the system has
> been compromised, which is much more difficult to do without root
> access. This has been pointed out here more than once. Why is this
> *not* a refutation of the idea that there's no security problem
> running as root in a single-user system?
> 
> --Rachel

I think some of the people who argue these things lose sight of the
practical. For example, I know that the FBI or a competent locksmith
could pick the lock on my front door, but I lock it anyway and consider
that sufficient security for my needs. This is because my imperfect lock
offers sufficient discouragement for 99.999% of the people who I believe
might try to enter my house for bad purposes. I also believe that
99.999% of them would leave evidence of a break in when circumventing my
present locks.

Likewise, I understand that there are people skillful enough to
penetrate my firewall and own my Linux systems in my house w/o console
access (I can root any Linux box from the console, and so can you). I'm
not sure how, but I've been told it's true by people who should know
what they're doing. I also realize that it would be beyond my skill
level and price range to prevent this.

So I take what I think are reasonable precautions to force the thieves
to go elsewhere. I try not to be low-hanging fruit.

My concern about Lindows (or whatever the kids are calling it now) is
that it hangs the fruit way low and doesn't attempt to even educate the
new buyers that there could be problems.

When I read the comments of what's-his-name, the former MP3 and present
Lindows guy, I come away convinced that he is personally clueless. Not
the end of the world for a business type, but in this case, both
clueless and unwilling to listen to others. Bad combination.

So IMO Lindows will end up adding to the already overpopulated pool of
machines that will be rooted by spammers etc.

And even though Stewart and jhriv and Tracy and probably a few others we
could name could crack our boxes, you and I will not be rooted because
we do a few simple things, like having a basic firewall, not using
passwords in the clear over untrusted lines, and not running as root
except when we have a rooty thing to do. Like install an update to ssh
;-)

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