begin quoting Mike Marion as of Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 03:07:33PM -0700: > Quoting Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >So, what, pray tell, are the below average *supposed* to do for a > >living? 50% of people are *below average*. Are we simply supposed to > >write them off? Why don't we execute them instead so that they quit > >dragging down the economy? Yes, I'm being intentionally sarcastic, but > >you can't just dismiss 50% of the population. > > > >Being average or mediocre is not a crime, people. Sheesh. > > Noone's saying it is. But I don't think the answer is to punish those that > do work hard in order to protect the slackers either.. level of > intelligence aside. I've known some smart people in my union job that > slacked with the best of them.
I think we have the culture of victimization at play here. How are they being punished? "You! You're too smart. We're docking your pay!" Unions _do_ come at a cost. The thing to think about is not what that cost is, but what was it that made that cost acceptable to those who first chose to unionize. > >Besides, why is it the *union's* job to reward good work? Why don't the > >*companies* have incentives to reward good work. The carrot normally > >works *better* than the stick. > > Because the union tends to get a contract in place that specifically spells > out how any pay increases and bonuses can be given out, so that the company > cannot give out any incentives to encourage hard work. That's how it was at What, performance bonuses are given out on the basis of seniority? I was under the impression that bonuses are separate from salary and managed under a different set of rules. > the Zoo when I was there. I wouldn't have a problem with the union if I > could still work there, non-union, and work for my own pay > increases/incentives. What if the Zoo gave you a pay-cut instead? Do you say "Give me a pay increase, or else!"? (In some jobs, the slow-and-slightly-stupid worker is more valuable than the smart-and-motivated worker.) [snip] > True, there are cases of companies doing bad things. IME, and what I saw > happen to my father over the years.. the union rarely ends up helping the > employees that much, usually making some compromise that makes you wonder if > they were paid off or not. Often my suspicion. :-/ But that's not a problem with the idea of a union, only the implementation. -Stewart "Perhaps if an employer didn't know if you were in a union..." Stremler
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