begin  quoting Richard Reynolds as of Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:07:45PM -0800:
[snip]
> understood, but realize its a technical reason linux is not ready for the 
> desktop, when I bought this laptop (its about 3 months old now) it was 
> shipped with at least a dozen viruses (ok really they are apps you cant 
> un-install that HP thinks you want, which sounds like a virus to me) so I 
                                                          ^^^^^

Nit!  A virus is replicating trojan horse -- it modifies other programs
to include a copy of itself.  "You can't un-install" is in no way like
a virus.

[snip]

> >I don't begin to comprehend putting programs inside of spreadsheets,
> >but I'm not surprised the vb stuff doesn't work in Linux. VB is an
> >abomination to begin with, and you have to really want it to even have
> >a basic interpreter on a Linux system.
> 
> comprehension is not required, for me making it work is. and for ME windows 
> is required because of it.

Data files that can contain programs -- especially programs that can run
automatically and have access to system objects outside *that* one data
file -- should be avoided. That's where you're going to get viruses.  Real
viruses, not the "I don't like this program" faux-viruses.
 
[snip]
> true I did the desktop user thing and grouped all email into one pile, 
> however I did state I use both outlook and outlook express there are not a 
> ton of reasons for such things....

With open data formats you're not constrained to a limited set of tools.

[snip]
> >XV does all you describe about acdsee.
> 
> not quite the right thing, or at least I dont know how to make it do the 
> right thing.

It does exactly the right thing.

If your "right thing" doesn't match up with anyone else's "right thing",
then perhaps you should describe what you mean by "right thing" in this
case.

XV displays images. Displays images in slide-shows. Does screen-shots. 
Crops images. Converts images.  Provides image-management capabilities
(with thumbnails, even).  There's an extension that lets you use XV to 
drive a scanner ("XVScan").

If you don't like the XV UI, there are other tools to accomplish the
same task.

Remember, it's about accomplishing some task, not doing it the M$ way.

-Stewart "I *like* not doing it the Microsoft way. Makes more sense!" Stremler


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