begin  quoting Andrew Lentvorski as of Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 03:23:21PM -0700:
> Stewart Stremler wrote:
> 
> >So the TJ Lug has a bunch of old machines, but they don't want any
> >more... they want new, shiny kit.  Good for them... go buy it. When
> >you stop accepting old hardware, you've just declared yourself to be
> >self-sustaining.
> 
> Yes and no.  There has to be a limit otherwise people will just dispose 
> of their broken crap on you.  Given that there is now a cost to 
> disposing of computer hardware, that needs to be considered.

Agreed.

I should have said "old, working, stable machines" or somesuch.

(Although, when I was first in college, I had a friend who took
any machine he could, and cannibalized 'em to come up with working
machines. RAM from here, a CPU from there, a disk from a third, into
a case from a fourth... the junk-junk he generally gave to art students
to incorporate into their semester projects.)

> In addition, motherboard support in the Linux kernel drops off quite 
> rapidly with age.  A computer older than about 2 years starts exhibiting 
> instabilities with modern Linux distributions.
> 
> Last I checked, open-source video drivers were still stuck at the Radeon 
> 9200 level since we don't have any good open-source video documentation.
> 
> Linux no longer has the "support everything on the planet" ethic.  Now 
> it's more like, "It runs on my hardware.  To hell with the rest of you."
 
True.

> This is kind of funny since it was the "runs on any old crap hardware" 
> that helped make Linux more popular than *BSD which simply refused to 
> support certain broken hardware.

I was looking at BSD in the early 90s, and didn't feel I could afford
the hardware to run it, and Linux was out and ran "good enough" on
any old crap hardware. I had cheap (i.e., crap) hardware already, and
limited funds, and Wanted Out of the M$ world.  Wasn't much deliberation.

It seems like a mistake to discard your product's distinguishing feature
that was in a large part responsible for its success.  It would be like
IN-N-OUT deciding that they'll no longer make hamburgers, or KFC going
poultry-free....

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