kelsey hudson wrote:
James G. Sack (jim) wrote:
I haven't come to grips with SELinux yet (though I suspect I eventually will), but I heartily concur with the statement about root.

I don't. I'm a seasoned systems admin, and I log in as root. I always have. I always will. SELinux may be great for some things, for the ultra-paranoid, and the necessity for things to be ultra-secure, but honestly, in the real world 99% of the functionality just isn't needed if you set your system up properly, with sane configurations and an appropriate firewalling scheme.

Sample argument: I have finally come to appreciate the value of the /var/log/secure in documenting system changes. Real Soon Now (tm), I'm going to get these records into a database, so that I won't be so upset next time I have to undo or redo something (like reconfigure after an upgrade).

Uhhh, (confession) I still use a root shell, but just for looking at stuff -- i swear!

I use mine for configuration, viewing log files, editing files owned by root, etc. I can't be bothered to type 'sudo blah' before every command I intend to execute as root (the main reason is that I despise entering my password -- sure, you can configure ... NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers, but come on, how *insecure* is that?!)

I wasn't so much talking about security as I was talking about having important operations logged -- well, maybe I do, in fact, appreciate some shoot-yourself-in-the-foot protection, but that's really a different subject (re: which I was expecting some I-told-you-so's).

Moreover, I was welcoming the benefits of such logging for personal-system (ofter inexperienced) administrators.

I don't know if It's going to prove out or not, but I _do_ want to try to capture useful history into a database. .. Wish me well.

Regards,
..jim


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