Thanks for doing the research. I'll save this. Lan, who kinda likes the flesh
On Mon, March 26, 2007 12:43 am, Ralph Shumaker wrote: > Christian Seberino wrote: > >>On Sun, March 25, 2007 9:26 pm, Lan Barnes wrote: >> >> >> >>>Prayer is NOT illegal anywhere. FORCED prayer is in government funded >>>institutions. Can't you discern the difference? >>> >>> >> >>If I'm not mistaken, you couldn't give a graduation commencement address >>and ask for a *voluntary* prayer before you started. >> >> >> >>>>>>Even your beloved Jefferson mentioned God in his Declaration Of >>>>>>Independence. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Jefferson was a self-declared deist, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>So what? And deist != atheist. >>>> >>>> >>>It's not as far away from it as you might think. deist ~= agnostic >>> >>> >> >>That's a stretch. Jefferson's Declaration of Independence says that the >>source of our inalienable rights is God. Now does the Declaration of >>Independence say that or not? >> >> >> >> >>>>They didn't want to *force* people to believe in Christianity but the >>>>vast >>>>majority would certainly be happy if more people followed the teachings >>>>of >>>>Christianity....be honest, help your neighbor, be faithful to your >>>> wife, >>>>etc. >>>> >>>> >>>Why do you think that? Sexually repressed, superstitious, denying the >>>evidence of the senses and conclusions of reason? This is better for >>>everybody? >>> >>> >> >>You didn't answer the question..unless you think Christianity teaches one >>to be sexually repressed, superstitious and unreasonable? Can you show >> me >>where in the New Testament it says that? I'm not sure your own comments >>are, to use your words, "conclusions of reason". >> >>Chris >> > > Paul doesn't specify "sexual" repression, but he *definitely* speaks of > the repression of strong desires: > > 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not > known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had > said, Thou shalt not covet. > > 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner > of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. > > 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, > sin revived, and I died. > > 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto > death. > > 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it > slew me. > > 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and > good. > > 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, > that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; > that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. > > 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under > sin. > > 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; > but what I hate, that do I. > > 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it > is good. > > 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. > > 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good > thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is > good I find not. > > 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, > that I do. > > 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin > that dwelleth in me. > > 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with > me. > > 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: > > 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my > mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my > members. > > 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this > death? > > 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I > myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Romans 8 > > There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ > Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. > > 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free > from the law of sin and death. > > 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, > God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, > condemned sin in the flesh: > > 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk > not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. > > 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; > but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. > > 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is > life and peace. > > 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject > to the law of God, neither indeed can be. > > 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. > > > > -- > [email protected] > http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list > -- Lan Barnes SCM Analyst Linux Guy Tcl/Tk Enthusiast Biodiesel Brewer -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list
