Stewart Stremler wrote:
> begin  quoting James G. Sack (jim) as of Mon, May 07, 2007 at 05:36:34PM 
> -0700:
>> Yesterday's slashdot had a link to A Van Jacobson talk:
>>  "A New Way to look at Networking"
>>  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6972678839686672840&hl=en
> 
> Any transcripts?

The whole thing has subtitles, so it seems there oughta be transcripts.
Wonder where to look for them?

>..
>>   "Integrity and trust are properties of the data, not of the way that
>> you obtain it."
> 
> Um, not so much. 
> 
> See the discussion about the color of bits (on -kooler?) not too long ago.

I believe he's talking about a narrower concept.  No doubt my
out-of-context quote needs elaboration .. applicable buzzwords are
Privacy-Enhanced-Mail, PGP-style web-of-trust (and the inadequacy of
cert hierarchy), ..

>..
> Conversations were a side effect of telephony neworking? I thought
> they were the *reason*.

His point is that the telco's viewed a network as a big switch. It just
happened to be useful for conservations. You really have to hear his spiel.

>..
> TCP/IP gives circuit-switched semantics to a packet-switched network.
> 
> I thought endpoint addresses predated TCP/IP.

That may be, but the embedding of addresses in the data was what made a
packet switching network different. And more reliable, and more scalable
 (he says).

>  
>> Another way of saying it is that a new solution to the old problem is a
>> waste; what's needed is recognition that the problem has changed, and
>> investment in new viewpoints.
>>
>> ..well something like that.
> 
> Sounds like marketing hype.

Yeah, those are my words, don't blame him ;-)

Regards,
..jim


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