begin  quoting Ralph Shumaker as of Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:06:47PM -0800:
> A passing glance might be enuf to tell me which key blank to use.  A 
> close look (about a foot away from my eyes) for about 5 to 10 seconds 
> would probably be enuf in most cases for me to be able to reproduce it.  
> Double the time if they are sitting at about arms length.  Reducing the 
> time or increasing the distance will make it more difficult.  If the key 
> of interest is sitting at a good angle while I'm standing nearby talking 
> to someone, I may be appearing to stare off into space while examining 
> the pattern.  If I can read the 5 or 6 digits stamped on some keys, the 
> resulting key will almost certainly work.

So how many bits of information are actually encoded in n a typical 
physical key?

Four to six tumblers, three values for each, plus a few hundred styles
of key blank?

>                                            Otherwise, it really depends 
> on my ability to estimate the pattern I'm seeing, as well as how well 
> the key I'm examining was cut in the first place.  Also a factor is how 
> well worn the key is.  If you have ever seen a well used older-GM 
> ignition key (where the doors take a different key), that is a good 
> example of a key so worn that it is difficult to reproduce, even with 
> careful study.

I used to drive a pontiac firebird. By the time I got rid of it, the
ignition key would fall out of the ignition. 

I figured that all it would take to start the car would be a thin enough
screwdriver.

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Stewart Stremler


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