On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Wade Curry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Al Tobey([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 10:41:27AM -0800: > <snip> > > > > Remember earlier I mentioned the /dev/disk stuff? Check > > /dev/disk/by-label and /dev/disk/by-uuid. I really can't feel for > > you ;) When you have a box with 100's of LUN's coming to it, SCSI > > device merry-go-round is a fact of life. That's why most > > distributions have gone to either LABEL= (Redhat) or UUID= (Ubuntu) > > mounts, which you can do just as easily in /etc/fstab. I'm currently > > disappointing myself with Gentoo again (separate rant) and it doesn't > > do any of the new-fangled stuff by default. > > Which stuff are you missing in Gentoo, specifically? I've got it > running on a VPS, so I haven't needed (or missed) anything > device-wise, so far. > > Gentoo doesn't do a lot by default. That's one reason I finally > made the effort to use it. I learned a huge amount from using > Slackware years ago, and Gentoo has been doing well for me too. > If I decide to install it on a desktop machine, I'm curious what > device configuration items I might want to work out.
It's a separate rant because my disappointment has nothing to do with device handling in Gentoo. That works fine. Here's my rant, since you asked for it: What I'm disappointed about is that I install Gentoo about once a year because I want to try some new thing out. The last couple times, Gentoo has actually been behind Fedora and Ubuntu in getting whatever I'm looking for into portage (kvm, perl, KDE4, PulseAudio, xorg infrastructure stuff to name a few). The default keyword settings these days seem to be well behind Ubuntu and/or Fedora. Globally setting ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~* (or x86/amd64) is a disaster worse than running rawhide or debian experimental, so I have to slog through entries in /etc/portage to get various components upgraded. It works, though. I know the distribution is really about tuning your distro to taste, and I like that about it. I just think it's evolving away from one of its primary audiences. I did get kvm working well on Gentoo, but only after digging through all of the portage overlay garbage. The overlay system really needs a decent way to browse & search (yes, I know about layman), since that seems to be the best and only way to get really some bleeding edge software. I was going to install with perl 5.10, but I just checked and Gentoo is still pushing 5.8.8 even with ~amd64, unless you have the perl overlay. Python still defaults to 2.4.4 even though 2.5 has been out for ages. Fortunately, I typically use ActivePerl/ActivePython anyways (so I can drag it around to different systems with rsync and have consistency across OS's for free and keep my perl across OS reinstalls). In any case, USE="-gnome" still makes it worth it, so I'll stop whining ;) By the way, for those of you waiting for 2008.0, check out funtoo. http://www.funtoo.org/ - drobbins is posting up-to-date stage1 & 2 tarballs there. -Al > Wade Curry > syntaxman > > > -- > [email protected] > http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list > -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list
