On Sun, Apr 10, 2005 at 01:40:45PM -0700, Andrew Lentvorski wrote: > > On Apr 10, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Lan Barnes wrote: > > >The universality of web interfaces is a myth. > > Yes and no. There are ways to do set up code to do rendering > correctly. The problem is that some graphic designer decides that > something isn't "pretty" and makes it nonportable. The number of > stories from Apple about how the usability folks had to fend off the > graphic arts folks about the original Geneva font are legion. For > those who don't know, the original Mac Geneva font is this really > bold, blocky, (might even by monospaced) font that is just absolutely > legible on low-resolution pixel displays, but ugly as sin. > > >- state is kludged > > There is no state. That's the problem. If you need state, you > should not be using http. The sooner the developers get that through > their heads, the better. Use Java or Flash/Director. >
I say again, state is kludged. Amazon/Netflix/etc most definitely keep a light burning for you once you open a transaction. I can remember aborting an Amazon buy, coming back a week later, and finding the abortus in my shopping cart. > >- performance is for-shit > > Latency can be worked around, most times. > So we agree? > >- simplicity is enforced by lack of tools > > Actually the Macromedia stuff seems to be pretty damn good. We just > never see it because we are open-source bigots. ;) > > >- the bulk of developers and all PHBs think 100% of the world uses IE > > The developers are the bigger problem than the PHB's. They use > Macromedia on Windows rendering into IE and ship. Since the bugs > never cost the developer anything, they have no incentive to do any > more. > > Surprisingly, the PHB's are actually starting to get it. In fact, > the most important ones always did. I'll note that my financial > services websites all managed to work across a really big spectrum of > browsers. Sometimes, they forced me to enable Java (grumble ... > mumble), but it was generally the correct solution. > That's good to hear. -- Lan Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Guy, SCM Specialist 858-354-0616 -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-lpsg
