begin  quoting Ralph Shumaker as of Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 02:05:56PM -0700:
> SJS wrote:
> > begin  quoting Steve M Bibayoff as of Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:32:42AM -0700:
> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >> wrote:
[snip]
> >>> That's hardly a recipe for for flipping around backwards.
> >>>       
> >> You have obviously never used the "emergency break" why going down the
> >> road > 50 mph (or if you have, been very, very lucky).
> >
> > I've used emergency brakes (lever, not pedal) at highways speeds several
> > times.  You don't HAVE to lock up the rear wheels, y'know.
> 
> You don't have to, no, but it's very easy to do in a light vehicle, or a
> vehicle with a light back end.

Not so much.

When I was a teenager, my Dad yanked the emergency brake on the highway
(something to do with Driver's ed teaching me to drive like an idiot,
by following a laundry list of rather inane rules instead of, well,
driving), and even without much experience, I instinctively kept the
vehicle under control.

Subaru Brats were pretty darn light, with a very light back-end.

> Using the manual brake also has the added danger that it doesn't light
> up your brake lights, increasing the risk of rear end collision (or
> front end collision if it flips you around).

Aside from that I'm not buying the flip-around assertion, this isn't
significantly different from downshifting to slow down. I would think
the clouds of blue/white smoke and the screeching sound would serve as
MORE of an alert to other drivers.
 
> I didn't have to use it the hand lever, but (always with no one around)
> did a few times anyway, just to get a feel for it. The first time I did
> it, my hand slipped off. I was only going about 25 or so, but it did
> flip me around. Subsequently, I was more careful. Overall, I wouldn't
> recommend it unless you need it.

I've *got* to get a set of tires I can destroy and a place to play
with this technique.

-- 
I miss my 5-liter V8's torque.
Stewart Stremler

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