Keep in mind what halon does is remove most of the oxygen in the air. You dump halon in a small room and try to light a lighter it just won't happen. That was a demonstration that used when we had it installed in the computer room. That was many years ago when it was still allowed.
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2015, at 11:00 AM, krnet-request at list.krnet.org wrote: > > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet at list.krnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > krnet-request at list.krnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-owner at list.krnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Collapsing Gear (Sid Wood) > 2. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Jeff Scott) > 3. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Jeff Scott) > 4. Halon (Bill Wood) > 5. KR for sale (retractable gear) (laser147 at juno.com) > 6. Re: Halon (Jeff Scott) > 7. Re: Halon (Chris Gardner) > 8. Re: Halon (Chris Gardner) > 9. Re: Halon (Dave Acklam) > 10. Fwd: Halon (Bill Wood) > 11. Re: Halon (Gary Ainsworth) > 12. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Adam Tippin) > 13. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Patrick Driscoll) > 14. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Dj Merrill) > 15. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Chris Kinnaman) > 16. Re: Halon (Chris Gardner) > 17. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 (Steve Bray) > 18. Re: Halon (Virgil N.Salisbury) > 19. Re: Fuel handling & fires (bjoenunley) > 20. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Nerobro) > 21. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Jeff Scott) > 22. Visit (Sid Wood) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:25:31 -0400 > From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> > To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Collapsing Gear > Message-ID: <9F7D203229954A53AC664A49C205D171 at CORP55THINK> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Best way to keep plans-built retractable gear from collapsing is convert to > fixed gear. (Insurance companies like that also.) If you feel that > converting is going to cost to much time and money, consider the time and > cost of a new prop and rebuilding an engine. If you simply must keep the > retract gear, then rig a safety pin for the down lock. Taxi and rough field > landing wiggle and jiggle everything including the down lock. You cannot > count on a little spring to keep the down lock engaged. Plans call for AN3 > bolts for the gear leg casting to spring bar; upgrade these to AN4 bolts. > Upgrade the bolts for both sides of the gear hinge casting to AN4. > > John Shaffer had retractable tri-gear for his KR. > > Sid Wood > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no luck. > I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it. The first time, only to have the > kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger > bolts in landing gear. I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John > Shaffer-N 455JS. The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. This > plane is powered with a Suburu E81 engine and propelled with a Al Shouse > wooden prop. It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic brakes. It > has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year. I feel I am not > capable at 79 to fly this plane. Also Ellason Throttle body carb. > > This plane is located in Benson,Mn. I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 or > my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail cjijlin at charter.net > > Thank You, > Kelly Lindblad, > 311-16th St. So., > Benson, Mn. 56215 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I just finished KR-2 and received the Airworthiness certificate. I have the > original landing gear.Tell me please, which bolts collapsed, wheel center or > at the spring bar or else? > Which bulletin (you mean surely the "News Letter")shall I look in? > Which gear(retractable?)did John Schaffer use??? before my gear collapse. > > My gear retracted while taxi run, in Oct., the prop was broken and the > crankshaft got off center,I`m waiting for the engine done next week, so, I > am desparate to avoid another collapse!!! > > It would be a great help, if you would give me these answer, or anything > else, many thanks!! > With best regardYoshio Morino N5247N, Hamburg, Germany > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 20:42:06 +0200 > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: > <trinity-b6279110-8ede-4253-9b38-34dad5fa415c-1428345726266 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Our discussion last week about fueling, fuel handling, and consequences of > mishandling caused me to take an objective look at some of the safety factors > involved in my refueling. Overall, I think I follow good practices and do a > pretty safe job. However, I also realized that I am woefully short on > firefighting measures if I should spark a fire while fueling. I'm driving > around with a significant amount of fuel in the back of my truck and no fire > extinguisher on the truck. Kind of dumb now that I think about it. I > currently have two small (2 1/2#) dry powder fire extinguishers in each > hangar. If you have ever tried to fight a gasoline fire with one of those > extinguishers (I have), they are only good for about 5 seconds of spray with > dry powder and usually not enough to do much good. What I found was that I > initially hit the fire too close. By the time I got the extinguisher pointed > at the right place, I was out of powder. > > So thanks to you guys and this discussion, I ordered 4 20# extinguishers to > post in my hangars and truck for fueling activities. Hopefully I'll never > see the day I ever pull the pins on them. But I'd rather have them and not > need them, than need them and not have them. > > How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. But I > noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small planes like > our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's perfect for > mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the seat. I may have > to order one for each plane. > > -Jeff Scott > Los Alamos, NM > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 23:47:23 +0200 > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > To: jscott.planes at gmx.com, krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: > <trinity-bc57d1eb-9bdf-4ef5-9d50-eb258dd17d0d-1428356843036 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > >> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just >> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for >> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for >> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of >> the seat. > > DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to > order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known... > > -Jeff > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:56:56 +0000 > From: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com> > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: KR> Halon > Message-ID: <j90oy2fm59v3ueeij1hk9vjn.1428357464733 at email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled many > years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems around > except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal poisonous > gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > > Just my $0.02 worth. > >> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just >> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for >> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for >> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of >> the seat. > > DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to > order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known. > > Bill Wood > Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > Guspro (Ice King) > Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:08:14 -0700 > From: <laser147 at juno.com> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> KR for sale (retractable gear) > Message-ID: <AABLUGBA5AENNR2S at smtpout01.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> "I just finished KR-2 and received the Airworthiness certificate. I > have the original landing gear.Tell me please, which bolts collapsed, > wheel center or at the spring bar or else? > Which bulletin (you mean surely the "News Letter")shall I look in? > Which gear(retractable?)did John Schaffer use??? before my gear collapse. > > >> My gear retracted while taxi run, in Oct., the prop was broken and the > crankshaft got off center,I`m waiting for the engine done next week, so, > I am desparate to avoid another collapse!!!" > > *************** > > My first KR had the retractable gear and held up fine to some really bad > landings when I was learning to fly it, so I know it's possible to > construct the retractable gear in such a way that it won't collapse. The > builder of my first KR, Harold Sigenfield (Siggy) was a retired Convair > engineer and whatever he did to strengthen the gear must have worked. I > do know he used a heavier spring bar than the plans called for. > > There must be some good information in the early KR newsletters about how > to strengthen the retractable gear design. That's such a shame after all > the work involved in building to have a gear collapse while taxiing with > resultant prop and engine damage. > > The KR in flight with gear retracted just "looks" right. I've never > quite gotten used to the looks of fixed-gear KR's, even though I now have > one. My retractable gear had covers attached or built into the gear legs > which covered the wheels when retracted, reducing drag, and which acted > as speed brakes when extended. That was a beautiful KR - N37751. The > fellow I sold it to ran it off the end of the runway at Rialto doing > "high speed taxi texts" even though I had advised very strongly against > it. Going through KR accident reports I've seen several, at least one > fatal, resulting from doing high speed taxi tests. Anyway, enough on > that subject. Please go through the KR newsletters and maybe even KRNET > forums regarding retractable gear mods. I'm sure there's plenty of > information on the subject since it was a common problem. It can be > done right so good luck doing some research. > > Mike > KSEE > ____________________________________________________________ > Want to place your ad here? > Advertise on United Online > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5523041b376fc41b16ddst01vuc > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: borrego.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 81928 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/attachments/20150406/e6c862b1/attachment-0001.jpg> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 00:17:48 +0200 > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: > <trinity-6963f235-e709-4364-a6fc-3ab709c590e7-1428358668370 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > >> >> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled many >> years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems around >> except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal >> poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. >> >> Just my $0.02 worth. > > I'd suggest reading <http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm>. Halon > is described as "remarkably safe for human exposure". Manufacturing was > stopped in 1994 due to CFCs, so all halon is recycled. Seems to me there is > a disconnect somewhere. Additionally Halotron is the latest "enviromentally > safe" non-CFC version. > > -Jeff > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:22:07 -0400 > From: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> > To: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: <9CE360C9-E1F1-44DC-9B16-5B859925E2B2 at rogers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Are you sure on those facts about Halon? > Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. > No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 because > it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. > I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built KR2. > Chris G > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Bill Wood via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled many >> years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems around >> except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal >> poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. >> >> Just my $0.02 worth. >> >>> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just >>> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for >>> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for >>> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of >>> the seat. >> >> DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to >> order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon >> extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was >> looking at on Amazon. I should have known. >> >> Bill Wood >> Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) >> Guspro (Ice King) >> Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON >> PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:28:48 -0400 > From: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> > To: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: <A0B7876A-7B09-4BF5-BDBD-5DE87B63946A at rogers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Also details on Halon are here: > > http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf > > It is legal in aircraft applications only. > > Regards > > Chris G > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet <krnet at >> list.krnet.org> wrote: >> >> Are you sure on those facts about Halon? >> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. >> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 because >> it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. >> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built KR2. >> Chris G >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Bill Wood via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled many >>> years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems around >>> except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal >>> poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. >>> >>> Just my $0.02 worth. >>> >>>> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just >>>> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for >>>> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for >>>> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of >>>> the seat. >>> >>> DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to >>> order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon >>> extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was >>> looking at on Amazon. I should have known. >>> >>> Bill Wood >>> Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) >>> Guspro (Ice King) >>> Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON >>> PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >>> options >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:31:48 -0700 > From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.krnet at gmail.com> > To: Jeff Scott <jscott.planes at gmx.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: > <CAAeYjfhNhXbgHFhbhZQ4qAd0EWCR8Or7i1KPU0Gjj6T1oYyoLA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Halon 1301 does turn toxic IF exposed to extreme temps and is thus not > reced for class D (flammable metal) fires.... > > But if not being used on something like thermite or magnesium.... Its one > of the safest room-flood fire suppressants out there. > > The bans are due to it being a CFC, not due to toxicity.... > > The 'halon' found in portable extinguishers is a different formulation... > > And of course CO2 exposure will kill you faster than either (oxygen > displacement) >> On Apr 6, 2015 3:18 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled >> many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems >> around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal >> poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. >>> >>> Just my $0.02 worth. >> >> I'd suggest reading <http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm>. >> Halon is described as "remarkably safe for human exposure". Manufacturing >> was stopped in 1994 due to CFCs, so all halon is recycled. Seems to me >> there is a disconnect somewhere. Additionally Halotron is the latest >> "enviromentally safe" non-CFC version. >> >> -Jeff >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 22:41:32 +0000 > From: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com> > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: KR> Fwd: Halon > Message-ID: <g97wcxc2riysjd26oj38vagh.1428360142356 at email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ok guys. I get it. All i know is that the info that i was given almost 20 > years ago. We had to take our Halon systems out and chang them to another > system in 6 facilities at a cost of $10000. > > This is 20 year-old info. If there is new more accurate info out there i am > more than willing to accept that. > > > Bill Wood > Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > Guspro (Ice King) > Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bill Wood > Date:2015-04-06 17:56 (GMT-05:00) > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Halon > > Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled many > years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems around > except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal poisonous > gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > > Just my $0.02 worth. > >> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just >> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for >> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for >> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of >> the seat. > > DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to > order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known. > > Bill Wood > Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > Guspro (Ice King) > Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:43:59 -0400 > From: "Gary Ainsworth" <garyains at kwic.com> > To: "Chris Gardner" <cgardn628 at rogers.com>, "KRnet" > <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: <3FC570AACC114B34B6A1CA24E1D70C42 at GaryPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Look in the engine bilge of most larger boats and you will find a self > energizing halon extinguisher aboard...maybe two of them. > I am curious if these cylinders are good/recognized for aircraft use. Some > are large due to the volume of the installed engine(s) > Most are small, weighing a couple of pounds and easy to install, using the > automatic/heat sensitive valve or a manual switch. > Since a KR area is small compared to an inboard marine installation, a large > halon cylinder need not be necessary. > They are fairly cheap (somewhat) for boats.... Experimental eh? > Gary - Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Gardner via KRnet > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:28 PM > To: Chris Gardner ; KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Also details on Halon are here: > > http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf > > It is legal in aircraft applications only. > > Regards > > Chris G > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet <krnet at >> list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >> Are you sure on those facts about Halon? >> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. >> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 >> because it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. >> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built >> KR2. >> Chris G > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:00:28 -0400 > From: Adam Tippin <adamtippin at gmail.com> > To: Jeff Scott <jscott.planes at gmx.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: <3789172A-BB07-4927-9F5C-E634B5E21B13 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > For those that are unfamiliar with Fire Extinguisher Types??? Halon is > designed to Consume all Oxygen in the area?.. I don?t know how wise it is to > have in the cockpit with you. > Personally I would suggest a dry chem. Extinguisher for electrical fires. > Its more clean up but less chance of consuming your air. > Just MHO > > Adam Tippin > KR2S builder > A&P. >> How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. But I >> noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small planes >> like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's perfect >> for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the seat. I may >> have to order one for each plane. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 18:06:08 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Patrick Driscoll" <patrick36 at usfamily.net> > To: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com>, "KRnet" > <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: <E05B497E03374E5DB14EFF72B7C92816 at Rover> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The US Air force uses Halon extinguishers and when I was in the reserves, I > had Halon extinguishers in my print shop. When I needed to recharge them, > The Air Force Fire unit would do it for me for free. They no longer do it > due to the EPA claiming that Halon is not eco friendly, so the price of > Halon went up to $25 per pound. > Patrick Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36 at usfamily.net > www.pensbypat.com > If you can read this, Thank a teacher > If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:32:19 -0400 > From: Dj Merrill <deej at deej.net> > To: Adam Tippin <adamtippin at gmail.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: <165CAFF1-2989-4E39-BA9C-19372117F04A at deej.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Unless you want IFR inside the cabin, you don't want to use a dry powder > extinguisher. > > I've been told, but haven't confirmed, that the dry powder can cause > corrosion, also not good in an aircraft. > > It is impossible to clean it all up, and you can't wash it away either since > that just pushes it further into the nooks and crannies. > > Halon is still the recommended choice for aircraft extinguishers. > > -Dj > > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Adam Tippin via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >> For those that are unfamiliar with Fire Extinguisher Types??? Halon is >> designed to Consume all Oxygen in the area?.. I don?t know how wise it is to >> have in the cockpit with you. >> Personally I would suggest a dry chem. Extinguisher for electrical fires. >> Its more clean up but less chance of consuming your air. >> Just MHO >> >> Adam Tippin >> KR2S builder >> A&P. >>> How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. But I >>> noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small planes >>> like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's perfect >>> for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the seat. I may >>> have to order one for each plane. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 17:34:49 -0600 > From: Chris Kinnaman <gliders at spinn.net> > To: Dj Merrill <deej at deej.net>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: <55231819.6040206 at spinn.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > ABC extinguishers will cause airframe-killing corrosion in aluminum > airplanes. > >> On 4/6/2015 5:32 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet wrote: >> Unless you want IFR inside the cabin, you don't want to use a dry powder >> extinguisher. >> >> I've been told, but haven't confirmed, that the dry powder can cause >> corrosion, also not good in an aircraft. >> >> It is impossible to clean it all up, and you can't wash it away either since >> that just pushes it further into the nooks and crannies. >> >> Halon is still the recommended choice for aircraft extinguishers. >> >> -Dj >> >> >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Adam Tippin via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> For those that are unfamiliar with Fire Extinguisher Types??? Halon is >>> designed to Consume all Oxygen in the area?.. I don?t know how wise it is >>> to have in the cockpit with you. >>> Personally I would suggest a dry chem. Extinguisher for electrical fires. >>> Its more clean up but less chance of consuming your air. >>> Just MHO >>> >>> Adam Tippin >>> KR2S builder >>> A&P. >>>> How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. But I >>>> noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small planes >>>> like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's perfect >>>> for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the seat. I may >>>> have to order one for each plane. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >>> options >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:58:45 -0400 > From: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> > To: Gary Ainsworth <garyains at kwic.com> > Cc: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: <C75E5042-BDBC-4337-B77A-CC750DB3EADE at rogers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm using the RT A400 unit that Aircraft Spruce sells. > Small but unfortunately not cheap. > Currently $ 230 USD each but then worth every penny if I ever have a fire > emergency in a wood aircraft full of fuel! > Cheers > Chris > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Gary Ainsworth <garyains at kwic.com> wrote: >> >> Look in the engine bilge of most larger boats and you will find a self >> energizing halon extinguisher aboard...maybe two of them. >> I am curious if these cylinders are good/recognized for aircraft use. Some >> are large due to the volume of the installed engine(s) >> Most are small, weighing a couple of pounds and easy to install, using the >> automatic/heat sensitive valve or a manual switch. >> Since a KR area is small compared to an inboard marine installation, a large >> halon cylinder need not be necessary. >> They are fairly cheap (somewhat) for boats.... Experimental eh? >> Gary - Canada >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Gardner via KRnet >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:28 PM >> To: Chris Gardner ; KRnet >> Subject: Re: KR> Halon >> >> Also details on Halon are here: >> >> http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf >> >> It is legal in aircraft applications only. >> >> Regards >> >> Chris G >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet <krnet at >>> list.krnet.org> wrote: >>> >>> Are you sure on those facts about Halon? >>> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. >>> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 because >>> it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. >>> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built >>> KR2. >>> Chris G > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:51:12 -0500 > From: Steve Bray <rsbray at gmail.com> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 > Message-ID: > <CADwpQW6AtkMO2jLcO0aecs2pW4JKCCHXY6BPwEVD0aggsC35AQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CLEAN UP YOUR REPLYS. > >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM, <krnet-request at list.krnet.org> wrote: >> >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to >> krnet at list.krnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> krnet-request at list.krnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> krnet-owner at list.krnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. KR for sale (Kelly Lindblad) >> 2. Re: KR for sale (Gabriele Morino) >> 3. test (Mike Sylvester) >> 4. Re: test (Paul Visk) >> 5. Sid (Paul Visk) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:35:58 -0500 >> From: "Kelly Lindblad" <cjijlin at charter.net> >> To: <krnet at list.krnet.org>, "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> >> Subject: KR> KR for sale >> Message-ID: <6C93EC9764DC4847865DC86A10BC0483 at UserHP> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no >> luck. >> I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it. The first time, only to have the >> kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger >> bolts in landing gear. I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John >> Shaffer-N 455JS. The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. This >> plane is powered with a Suburu E81 engine and propelled with a Al Shouse >> wooden prop. It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic brakes. >> It >> has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year. I feel I am not >> capable at 79 to fly this plane. Also Ellason Throttle body carb. >> >> This plane is located in Benson,Mn. I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 or >> my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail cjijlin at charter.net >> >> Thank You, >> Kelly Lindblad, >> 311-16th St. So., >> Benson, Mn. 56215 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: krnet-request at list.krnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 11:00 AM >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org >> Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 >> >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to >> krnet at list.krnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> krnet-request at list.krnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> krnet-owner at list.krnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Selecting an airport to be based at (Sid Wood) >> 2. Re: Adelaide visit (budz) >> 3. Re: Selecting an airport to be based at (Dave Acklam) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 19:06:07 -0400 >> From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> >> To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at >> Message-ID: <84B7918F7D04448DA0CD23E52A6FFD07 at CORP55THINK> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Maybe it is because airplane have vented tanks and quick drains while cars >> have closed fuel systems. Most gas cans also have tight fitting caps. >> >> Sid Wood >> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 >> Mechanicsville, MD, USA >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less >> if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars >> and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they >> refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained >> an airplane. Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with >> rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA >> standards. >> >> <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the >> tanks >> of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved >> containers that are completely sealed? >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day >> that >> he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of >> the >> hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and >> drained one wing tank. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:17:12 -0600 >> From: budz <budz at shaw.ca> >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org >> Subject: Re: KR> Adelaide visit >> Message-ID: <55208D18.40904 at shaw.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> >> >> I am visiting my son in Adelaide April 10 to 20. If anyone would like to >> chat about kr2 & flying there, it would be fun to visit. C-GJEY first >> flew Dec '79. >> cheers, Bud Zeitz >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:54:57 -0700 >> From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.krnet at gmail.com> >> To: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at >> Message-ID: >> <CAAeYjfgWLr-M=hjYE8GbqUvrW-qo82nbs0J+x81kLtdMPy=7TQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> At least around where I am, some of the public airports sell mogas >> on-field. >> >> It's one of the few places in WA where you can get booze-free gas. >> >> That said, I found a private airport that rents T-hangars for $150/mo and >> is closer to my house than any other field that's not a >> residents-only-airpark, so that was an easy choice... >> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im >>> finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. >>> They state safety concerns. Is this common? >>> One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas. But >>> if you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it. >>> >>> Paul Visk >>> Belleville Il. >>> 618 406 4705 >>> >>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >> change >>> options >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> KRnet mailing list >> KRnet at list.krnet.org >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 >> ************************************ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 22:10:21 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Gabriele Morino <mail_morino at yahoo.de> >> To: Kelly Lindblad <cjijlin at charter.net>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: Re: KR> KR for sale >> Message-ID: >> <1956800920.312622.1428271821112.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Dear Kelly, >> I?m Sorry, that you don?t want to fly and sorry, that this mail isn?t a >> buying offer for you KR. >> >> I just finished KR-2 and received the Airworthiness certificate. I have >> the original landing gear.Tell me please, which bolts collapsed, wheel >> center or at the spring bar or else? >> Which bulletin (you mean surely the "News Letter")shall I look in? >> Which gear(retractable?)did John Schaffer use??? before my gear collapse. >> >> My gear retracted while taxi run, in Oct., the prop was broken and the >> crankshaft got off center,I`m waiting for the engine done next week, so, I >> am desparate to avoid another collapse!!! >> >> It would be a great help, if you would give me these answer, or anything >> else, many thanks!! >> With best regardYoshio Morino N5247N, Hamburg, Germany >> >> >> Von: Kelly Lindblad via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> An: krnet at list.krnet.org; Mark Langford <ml at n56ml.com> >> Gesendet: 20:35 Sonntag, 5.April 2015 >> Betreff: KR> KR for sale >> >> ? ? I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no >> luck. >> I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it.? The first time, only to have the >> kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger >> bolts in landing gear.? I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John >> Shaffer-N 455JS.? The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. This >> plane is powered with a Suburu? E81 engine and propelled with a Al Shouse >> wooden prop.? It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic brakes.? >> It >> has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year.? I feel I am not >> capable at 79 to fly this plane.? Also Ellason Throttle body carb. >> >> This plane is located in Benson,Mn.? I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 or >> my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail? cjijlin at charter.net >> >> Thank You, >> Kelly Lindblad, >> 311-16th St. So., >> Benson, Mn. 56215 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: krnet-request at list.krnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 11:00 AM >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org >> Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 >> >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to >> krnet at list.krnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> krnet-request at list.krnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> krnet-owner at list.krnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ? 1. Re:? Selecting an airport to be based at (Sid Wood) >> ? 2. Re:? Adelaide visit (budz) >> ? 3. Re:? Selecting an airport to be based at (Dave Acklam) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 19:06:07 -0400 >> From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> >> To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at >> Message-ID: <84B7918F7D04448DA0CD23E52A6FFD07 at CORP55THINK> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Maybe it is because airplane have vented tanks and quick drains while cars >> have closed fuel systems.? Most gas cans also have tight fitting caps. >> >> Sid Wood >> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 >> Mechanicsville, MD, USA >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less >> if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars >> and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they >> refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained >> an airplane.? Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with >> rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA >> standards. >> >> <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the >> tanks >> of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved >> containers that are completely sealed? >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day >> that >> he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of >> the >> hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and >> drained one wing tank. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:17:12 -0600 >> From: budz <budz at shaw.ca> >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org >> Subject: Re: KR> Adelaide visit >> Message-ID: <55208D18.40904 at shaw.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> >> >> I am visiting my son in Adelaide April 10 to 20. If anyone would like to >> chat about kr2 & flying there, it would be fun to visit.? C-GJEY first >> flew Dec '79. >> cheers, Bud Zeitz >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:54:57 -0700 >> From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.krnet at gmail.com> >> To: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at >> Message-ID: >> <CAAeYjfgWLr-M=hjYE8GbqUvrW-qo82nbs0J+x81kLtdMPy=7TQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> At least around where I am, some of the public airports sell mogas >> on-field. >> >> It's one of the few places in WA where you can get booze-free gas. >> >> That said, I found a private airport that rents T-hangars for $150/mo and >> is closer to my house than any other field that's not a >> residents-only-airpark, so that was an easy choice... >> >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. Im >>> finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas in. >>> They state safety concerns.? Is this common? >>> ? One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas.? But >>> if you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it. >>> >>> Paul Visk >>> Belleville Il. >>> 618 406 4705 >>> >>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >> change >>> options >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> KRnet mailing list >> KRnet at list.krnet.org >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 >> ************************************ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 20:03:30 -0500 >> From: Mike Sylvester <shagster60 at hotmail.com> >> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: KR> test >> Message-ID: <SNT152-W68513E6F5CEEB49C0D43ACC4FE0 at phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> test >> >> Mike Sylvester >> kr2s builder >> Birmingham,AL. >> >> Cell no.205-966-3854 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:18:43 -0500 >> From: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> >> To: Mike Sylvester <shagster60 at hotmail.com>, KRnet >> <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: Re: KR> test >> Message-ID: <3xerjo9o2add6k5yl4128egy.1428283123699 at email.android.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> It's working >> >> >> >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. >> >> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Mike Sylvester via >> KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> </div><div>Date:04/05/2015 9:03 PM >> (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: krnet at list.krnet.org </div><div>Subject: KR> >> test </div><div> >> </div>test >> >> Mike Sylvester >> kr2s builder >> Birmingham,AL. >> >> Cell no.205-966-3854 >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:27:37 -0500 >> From: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> >> To: KR EMAIL BOARD <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> Subject: KR> Sid >> Message-ID: <dm7nwb2cqdv42abhwfs2qfhr.1428283657950 at email.android.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Did you get my email I sent you? >> >> Paul Visk >> Belleville >> 618 406 4705 >> >> >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> KRnet mailing list >> KRnet at list.krnet.org >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 >> ************************************ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 21:11:03 -0400 > From: "Virgil N.Salisbury" <facilitator1 at bellsouth.net> > To: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > Message-ID: <55232EA7.2030204 at bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > Double check that info. Halon in buildings was safe to breathe > while evacuating the building. DO NOT BE SMOKING THOUGH, > Virg > > >> On 4/6/2015 5:56 PM, Bill Wood via KRnet wrote: >> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled many >> years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems around >> except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal >> poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. >> >> Just my $0.02 worth. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:38:53 -0500 > From: bjoenunley <bjoenunley at gmail.com> > To: Patrick Driscoll via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: <gjjykfkpqxh8fwfxfo27cces.1428370733738 at email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > When the AH64 Apache would refuel we always had a fire extinguisher close by. > Also a good idea for me. I will be keeping one handy for me during refueling > operations on my airplanes.? > > Has anyone read NTSB reports about wood airplanes catching fire during > refueling? Or know of any? > > The Apache had two halon canisters in each engine compartment activated by > either pilot in case of an engine fire. They phased halon out and did a big > study to come up with a replacement. I could tell you what they evaluated but > not what fire suppression system they decided on. ?? > > Joe > > > "The US Air force uses Halon extinguishers and when I was in the reserves, I? > had Halon extinguishers in my print shop."? > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 00:12:00 -0500 > From: Nerobro <nerobro at gmail.com> > To: bjoenunley <bjoenunley at gmail.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: > <CABLCE0iH4xLESF-dsaNz+bvWDuS-JkWu2uvwNUxSCN5cWK6roQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > There are a lot of halon like materials. The datacenter I used to help run > used another air displacement system. I'll look up the brand shortly. > Halotron I think it was. It's a hydrocarbon, and it's evaporation and gas > displacment work for smothering, cooling, and displacing :-) > > Being in the room when the system goes off, is.. uh.. unpleasant. But so > long as things don't hit you, or a rack get blown down onto you, you're > safe. The air becomes hard to breathe, but not deadly. (provided the > system is sized properly for the volume at hand) "you" can survive in > lower o2 partial pressures than materials need to burn. :-) >> On Apr 6, 2015 8:39 PM, "bjoenunley via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> >> wrote: >> >> When the AH64 Apache would refuel we always had a fire extinguisher close >> by. Also a good idea for me. I will be keeping one handy for me during >> refueling operations on my airplanes. >> >> Has anyone read NTSB reports about wood airplanes catching fire during >> refueling? Or know of any? >> >> The Apache had two halon canisters in each engine compartment activated by >> either pilot in case of an engine fire. They phased halon out and did a big >> study to come up with a replacement. I could tell you what they evaluated >> but not what fire suppression system they decided on. >> >> Joe >> >> >> "The US Air force uses Halon extinguishers and when I was in the reserves, >> I >> had Halon extinguishers in my print shop." >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 15:52:40 +0200 > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > To: nerobro at gmail.com, krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > Message-ID: > <trinity-43b5e5da-7c23-4a05-8e09-704c1341f548-1428414759930 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > >> There are a lot of halon like materials. The datacenter I used to help run >> used another air displacement system. I'll look up the brand shortly. >> Halotron I think it was. > > Halotron is the new "enviro-friendly" non-CFC Halon replacement. Like Halon, > it is designed to interrupt the chemical process of burning rather than > displacing the O2 out of the air, which is what makes it human safe. > > The halon that is available is also considered to be enviro-friendly. Since > there is no "safe" way to dispose of Halon, all halon is recycled until it is > eventually released, hopefully doing what it is designed to do. > > -Jeff Scott > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:30:10 -0400 > From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> > To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: KR> Visit > Message-ID: <558294CB08314200AD2028B37A01F583 at CORP55THINK> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Paul Visk stopped by last night for a visit to look over N6242 . We had > three hours of intense discussion ranging from mission definition to getting > the washers on straight, to accompany the show & tell. The KRnet does help > get info out; Gatherings allow up-close real time viewing and conversation; > but visits with the panels open and cowl off for condition inspection > provide the best transfer, IMHO. > Hopefully he was able to take away some of my lessons learned to help > expedite construction on his tri-gear KR-2S. > > Sid Wood > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > P.S. Getting the washers on straight helps build character. > http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=3968984905001 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > KRnet mailing list > KRnet at list.krnet.org > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 92 > ************************************
