Actually, halon works without removing O2, by inhibiting the combustion reaction...
This is its advantage over traditional fire suppressants, which displace oxygen and/or remove heat. You can survive in an atmosphere of 5 to 10pct halon with only mild disorientation, and 3pct is enough to stop most fires. On Apr 7, 2015 9:54 AM, "Randall Smith via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > Keep in mind what halon does is remove most of the oxygen in the air. You > dump halon in a small room and try to light a lighter it just won't happen. > That was a demonstration that used when we had it installed in the computer > room. That was many years ago when it was still allowed. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 7, 2015, at 11:00 AM, krnet-request at list.krnet.org wrote: > > > > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > > krnet at list.krnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > krnet-request at list.krnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > krnet-owner at list.krnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Collapsing Gear (Sid Wood) > > 2. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Jeff Scott) > > 3. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Jeff Scott) > > 4. Halon (Bill Wood) > > 5. KR for sale (retractable gear) (laser147 at juno.com) > > 6. Re: Halon (Jeff Scott) > > 7. Re: Halon (Chris Gardner) > > 8. Re: Halon (Chris Gardner) > > 9. Re: Halon (Dave Acklam) > > 10. Fwd: Halon (Bill Wood) > > 11. Re: Halon (Gary Ainsworth) > > 12. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Adam Tippin) > > 13. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Patrick Driscoll) > > 14. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Dj Merrill) > > 15. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Chris Kinnaman) > > 16. Re: Halon (Chris Gardner) > > 17. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 (Steve Bray) > > 18. Re: Halon (Virgil N.Salisbury) > > 19. Re: Fuel handling & fires (bjoenunley) > > 20. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Nerobro) > > 21. Re: Fuel handling & fires (Jeff Scott) > > 22. Visit (Sid Wood) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:25:31 -0400 > > From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> > > To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Collapsing Gear > > Message-ID: <9F7D203229954A53AC664A49C205D171 at CORP55THINK> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Best way to keep plans-built retractable gear from collapsing is convert > to > > fixed gear. (Insurance companies like that also.) If you feel that > > converting is going to cost to much time and money, consider the time and > > cost of a new prop and rebuilding an engine. If you simply must keep the > > retract gear, then rig a safety pin for the down lock. Taxi and rough > field > > landing wiggle and jiggle everything including the down lock. You cannot > > count on a little spring to keep the down lock engaged. Plans call for > AN3 > > bolts for the gear leg casting to spring bar; upgrade these to AN4 bolts. > > Upgrade the bolts for both sides of the gear hinge casting to AN4. > > > > John Shaffer had retractable tri-gear for his KR. > > > > Sid Wood > > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no > luck. > > I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it. The first time, only to have > the > > kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger > > bolts in landing gear. I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John > > Shaffer-N 455JS. The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. > This > > plane is powered with a Suburu E81 engine and propelled with a Al Shouse > > wooden prop. It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic > brakes. It > > has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year. I feel I am not > > capable at 79 to fly this plane. Also Ellason Throttle body carb. > > > > This plane is located in Benson,Mn. I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 > or > > my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail cjijlin at charter.net > > > > Thank You, > > Kelly Lindblad, > > 311-16th St. So., > > Benson, Mn. 56215 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I just finished KR-2 and received the Airworthiness certificate. I have > the > > original landing gear.Tell me please, which bolts collapsed, wheel > center or > > at the spring bar or else? > > Which bulletin (you mean surely the "News Letter")shall I look in? > > Which gear(retractable?)did John Schaffer use??? before my gear collapse. > > > > My gear retracted while taxi run, in Oct., the prop was broken and the > > crankshaft got off center,I`m waiting for the engine done next week, so, > I > > am desparate to avoid another collapse!!! > > > > It would be a great help, if you would give me these answer, or anything > > else, many thanks!! > > With best regardYoshio Morino N5247N, Hamburg, Germany > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 20:42:06 +0200 > > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: > > > <trinity-b6279110-8ede-4253-9b38-34dad5fa415c-1428345726266 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04 > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Our discussion last week about fueling, fuel handling, and consequences > of mishandling caused me to take an objective look at some of the safety > factors involved in my refueling. Overall, I think I follow good practices > and do a pretty safe job. However, I also realized that I am woefully > short on firefighting measures if I should spark a fire while fueling. I'm > driving around with a significant amount of fuel in the back of my truck > and no fire extinguisher on the truck. Kind of dumb now that I think about > it. I currently have two small (2 1/2#) dry powder fire extinguishers in > each hangar. If you have ever tried to fight a gasoline fire with one of > those extinguishers (I have), they are only good for about 5 seconds of > spray with dry powder and usually not enough to do much good. What I found > was that I initially hit the fire too close. By the time I got the > extinguisher pointed at the right place, I was out of powder. > > > > So thanks to you guys and this discussion, I ordered 4 20# extinguishers > to post in my hangars and truck for fueling activities. Hopefully I'll > never see the day I ever pull the pins on them. But I'd rather have them > and not need them, than need them and not have them. > > > > How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. But > I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small planes > like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's perfect > for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the seat. I may > have to order one for each plane. > > > > -Jeff Scott > > Los Alamos, NM > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 23:47:23 +0200 > > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > > To: jscott.planes at gmx.com, krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: > > > <trinity-bc57d1eb-9bdf-4ef5-9d50-eb258dd17d0d-1428356843036 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04 > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > >> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just > >> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for > >> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for > >> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of > >> the seat. > > > > DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to > order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known... > > > > -Jeff > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:56:56 +0000 > > From: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com> > > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: <j90oy2fm59v3ueeij1hk9vjn.1428357464733 at email.android.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal > poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > > > > Just my $0.02 worth. > > > >> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just > >> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for > >> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for > >> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of > >> the seat. > > > > DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to > order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known. > > > > Bill Wood > > Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > > Guspro (Ice King) > > Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > > PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:08:14 -0700 > > From: <laser147 at juno.com> > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: KR> KR for sale (retractable gear) > > Message-ID: <AABLUGBA5AENNR2S at smtpout01.vgs.untd.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >> "I just finished KR-2 and received the Airworthiness certificate. I > > have the original landing gear.Tell me please, which bolts collapsed, > > wheel center or at the spring bar or else? > > Which bulletin (you mean surely the "News Letter")shall I look in? > > Which gear(retractable?)did John Schaffer use??? before my gear collapse. > > > > > >> My gear retracted while taxi run, in Oct., the prop was broken and the > > crankshaft got off center,I`m waiting for the engine done next week, so, > > I am desparate to avoid another collapse!!!" > > > > *************** > > > > My first KR had the retractable gear and held up fine to some really bad > > landings when I was learning to fly it, so I know it's possible to > > construct the retractable gear in such a way that it won't collapse. The > > builder of my first KR, Harold Sigenfield (Siggy) was a retired Convair > > engineer and whatever he did to strengthen the gear must have worked. I > > do know he used a heavier spring bar than the plans called for. > > > > There must be some good information in the early KR newsletters about how > > to strengthen the retractable gear design. That's such a shame after all > > the work involved in building to have a gear collapse while taxiing with > > resultant prop and engine damage. > > > > The KR in flight with gear retracted just "looks" right. I've never > > quite gotten used to the looks of fixed-gear KR's, even though I now have > > one. My retractable gear had covers attached or built into the gear legs > > which covered the wheels when retracted, reducing drag, and which acted > > as speed brakes when extended. That was a beautiful KR - N37751. The > > fellow I sold it to ran it off the end of the runway at Rialto doing > > "high speed taxi texts" even though I had advised very strongly against > > it. Going through KR accident reports I've seen several, at least one > > fatal, resulting from doing high speed taxi tests. Anyway, enough on > > that subject. Please go through the KR newsletters and maybe even KRNET > > forums regarding retractable gear mods. I'm sure there's plenty of > > information on the subject since it was a common problem. It can be > > done right so good luck doing some research. > > > > Mike > > KSEE > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Want to place your ad here? > > Advertise on United Online > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5523041b376fc41b16ddst01vuc > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: borrego.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 81928 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/attachments/20150406/e6c862b1/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 00:17:48 +0200 > > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: > > > <trinity-6963f235-e709-4364-a6fc-3ab709c590e7-1428358668370 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04 > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal > poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > >> > >> Just my $0.02 worth. > > > > I'd suggest reading <http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm>. > Halon is described as "remarkably safe for human exposure". Manufacturing > was stopped in 1994 due to CFCs, so all halon is recycled. Seems to me > there is a disconnect somewhere. Additionally Halotron is the latest > "enviromentally safe" non-CFC version. > > > > -Jeff > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:22:07 -0400 > > From: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> > > To: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: <9CE360C9-E1F1-44DC-9B16-5B859925E2B2 at rogers.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Are you sure on those facts about Halon? > > Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. > > No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 > because it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. > > I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built > KR2. > > Chris G > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Bill Wood via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > >> > >> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal > poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > >> > >> Just my $0.02 worth. > >> > >>> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just > >>> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for > >>> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for > >>> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of > >>> the seat. > >> > >> DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised > to order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known. > >> > >> Bill Wood > >> Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > >> Guspro (Ice King) > >> Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > >> PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:28:48 -0400 > > From: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> > > To: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: <A0B7876A-7B09-4BF5-BDBD-5DE87B63946A at rogers.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Also details on Halon are here: > > > > > http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf > > > > It is legal in aircraft applications only. > > > > Regards > > > > Chris G > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >> > >> Are you sure on those facts about Halon? > >> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. > >> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 > because it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. > >> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur > built KR2. > >> Chris G > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Bill Wood via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal > poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > >>> > >>> Just my $0.02 worth. > >>> > >>>> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just > >>>> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for > >>>> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for > >>>> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of > >>>> the seat. > >>> > >>> DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised > to order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known. > >>> > >>> Bill Wood > >>> Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > >>> Guspro (Ice King) > >>> Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > >>> PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:31:48 -0700 > > From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.krnet at gmail.com> > > To: Jeff Scott <jscott.planes at gmx.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: > > <CAAeYjfhNhXbgHFhbhZQ4qAd0EWCR8Or7i1KPU0Gjj6T1oYyoLA at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Halon 1301 does turn toxic IF exposed to extreme temps and is thus not > > reced for class D (flammable metal) fires.... > > > > But if not being used on something like thermite or magnesium.... Its one > > of the safest room-flood fire suppressants out there. > > > > The bans are due to it being a CFC, not due to toxicity.... > > > > The 'halon' found in portable extinguishers is a different formulation... > > > > And of course CO2 exposure will kill you faster than either (oxygen > > displacement) > >> On Apr 6, 2015 3:18 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > >> many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > >> around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a > fatal > >> poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > >>> > >>> Just my $0.02 worth. > >> > >> I'd suggest reading <http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm>. > >> Halon is described as "remarkably safe for human exposure". > Manufacturing > >> was stopped in 1994 due to CFCs, so all halon is recycled. Seems to me > >> there is a disconnect somewhere. Additionally Halotron is the latest > >> "enviromentally safe" non-CFC version. > >> > >> -Jeff > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > >> options > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 22:41:32 +0000 > > From: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com> > > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: KR> Fwd: Halon > > Message-ID: <g97wcxc2riysjd26oj38vagh.1428360142356 at email.android.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Ok guys. I get it. All i know is that the info that i was given almost > 20 years ago. We had to take our Halon systems out and chang them to > another system in 6 facilities at a cost of $10000. > > > > This is 20 year-old info. If there is new more accurate info out there > i am more than willing to accept that. > > > > > > Bill Wood > > Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > > Guspro (Ice King) > > Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > > PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Bill Wood > > Date:2015-04-06 17:56 (GMT-05:00) > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Halon > > > > Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal > poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > > > > Just my $0.02 worth. > > > >> But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just > >> right for for small planes like our KRs on Amazon for > >> $25 including a mounting > bracket that's perfect for > >> mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of > >> the seat. > > > > DJ was kind enough to point out that the Halon extinguisher I advised to > order was dry powder, not Halon, so I could cancel the order. Halon > extinguishers are an order of magnitude more expensive than unit I was > looking at on Amazon. I should have known. > > > > Bill Wood > > Technical Consultant/R&D (EXT-262) > > Guspro (Ice King) > > Guspro Inc., Chatham, ON > > PH: 1-888-648-7776 / FX: 1-800-667-8742 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:43:59 -0400 > > From: "Gary Ainsworth" <garyains at kwic.com> > > To: "Chris Gardner" <cgardn628 at rogers.com>, "KRnet" > > <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: <3FC570AACC114B34B6A1CA24E1D70C42 at GaryPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Look in the engine bilge of most larger boats and you will find a self > > energizing halon extinguisher aboard...maybe two of them. > > I am curious if these cylinders are good/recognized for aircraft use. > Some > > are large due to the volume of the installed engine(s) > > Most are small, weighing a couple of pounds and easy to install, using > the > > automatic/heat sensitive valve or a manual switch. > > Since a KR area is small compared to an inboard marine installation, a > large > > halon cylinder need not be necessary. > > They are fairly cheap (somewhat) for boats.... Experimental eh? > > Gary - Canada > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Gardner via KRnet > > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:28 PM > > To: Chris Gardner ; KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > > > Also details on Halon are here: > > > > > http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf > > > > It is legal in aircraft applications only. > > > > Regards > > > > Chris G > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Are you sure on those facts about Halon? > >> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. > >> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 > >> because it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. > >> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built > >> KR2. > >> Chris G > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:00:28 -0400 > > From: Adam Tippin <adamtippin at gmail.com> > > To: Jeff Scott <jscott.planes at gmx.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: <3789172A-BB07-4927-9F5C-E634B5E21B13 at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > For those that are unfamiliar with Fire Extinguisher Types??? Halon is > designed to Consume all Oxygen in the area?.. I don?t know how wise it is > to have in the cockpit with you. > > Personally I would suggest a dry chem. Extinguisher for electrical > fires. > > Its more clean up but less chance of consuming your air. > > Just MHO > > > > Adam Tippin > > KR2S builder > > A&P. > >> How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. > But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small > planes like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's > perfect for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the > seat. I may have to order one for each plane. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 13 > > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 18:06:08 -0500 (CDT) > > From: "Patrick Driscoll" <patrick36 at usfamily.net> > > To: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com>, "KRnet" > > <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: <E05B497E03374E5DB14EFF72B7C92816 at Rover> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > The US Air force uses Halon extinguishers and when I was in the > reserves, I > > had Halon extinguishers in my print shop. When I needed to recharge them, > > The Air Force Fire unit would do it for me for free. They no longer do it > > due to the EPA claiming that Halon is not eco friendly, so the price of > > Halon went up to $25 per pound. > > Patrick Driscoll > > Saint Paul, MN > > patrick36 at usfamily.net > > www.pensbypat.com > > If you can read this, Thank a teacher > > If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 14 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:32:19 -0400 > > From: Dj Merrill <deej at deej.net> > > To: Adam Tippin <adamtippin at gmail.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: <165CAFF1-2989-4E39-BA9C-19372117F04A at deej.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Unless you want IFR inside the cabin, you don't want to use a dry powder > extinguisher. > > > > I've been told, but haven't confirmed, that the dry powder can cause > corrosion, also not good in an aircraft. > > > > It is impossible to clean it all up, and you can't wash it away either > since that just pushes it further into the nooks and crannies. > > > > Halon is still the recommended choice for aircraft extinguishers. > > > > -Dj > > > > > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Adam Tippin via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > >> > >> For those that are unfamiliar with Fire Extinguisher Types??? Halon is > designed to Consume all Oxygen in the area?.. I don?t know how wise it is > to have in the cockpit with you. > >> Personally I would suggest a dry chem. Extinguisher for electrical > fires. > >> Its more clean up but less chance of consuming your air. > >> Just MHO > >> > >> Adam Tippin > >> KR2S builder > >> A&P. > >>> How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. > But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small > planes like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's > perfect for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the > seat. I may have to order one for each plane. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 15 > > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 17:34:49 -0600 > > From: Chris Kinnaman <gliders at spinn.net> > > To: Dj Merrill <deej at deej.net>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: <55231819.6040206 at spinn.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > ABC extinguishers will cause airframe-killing corrosion in aluminum > > airplanes. > > > >> On 4/6/2015 5:32 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet wrote: > >> Unless you want IFR inside the cabin, you don't want to use a dry > powder extinguisher. > >> > >> I've been told, but haven't confirmed, that the dry powder can cause > corrosion, also not good in an aircraft. > >> > >> It is impossible to clean it all up, and you can't wash it away either > since that just pushes it further into the nooks and crannies. > >> > >> Halon is still the recommended choice for aircraft extinguishers. > >> > >> -Dj > >> > >> > >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Adam Tippin via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> For those that are unfamiliar with Fire Extinguisher Types??? Halon is > designed to Consume all Oxygen in the area?.. I don?t know how wise it is > to have in the cockpit with you. > >>> Personally I would suggest a dry chem. Extinguisher for electrical > fires. > >>> Its more clean up but less chance of consuming your air. > >>> Just MHO > >>> > >>> Adam Tippin > >>> KR2S builder > >>> A&P. > >>>> How many of you carry a fire extinguisher in your planes? I don't. > But I noticed that you can buy a 2# Halon unit just right for for small > planes like our KRs on Amazon for $25 including a mounting bracket that's > perfect for mounting it on the front of the spar just in front of the > seat. I may have to order one for each plane. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:58:45 -0400 > > From: Chris Gardner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> > > To: Gary Ainsworth <garyains at kwic.com> > > Cc: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: <C75E5042-BDBC-4337-B77A-CC750DB3EADE at rogers.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I'm using the RT A400 unit that Aircraft Spruce sells. > > Small but unfortunately not cheap. > > Currently $ 230 USD each but then worth every penny if I ever have a > fire emergency in a wood aircraft full of fuel! > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Gary Ainsworth <garyains at kwic.com> wrote: > >> > >> Look in the engine bilge of most larger boats and you will find a self > energizing halon extinguisher aboard...maybe two of them. > >> I am curious if these cylinders are good/recognized for aircraft use. > Some are large due to the volume of the installed engine(s) > >> Most are small, weighing a couple of pounds and easy to install, using > the automatic/heat sensitive valve or a manual switch. > >> Since a KR area is small compared to an inboard marine installation, a > large halon cylinder need not be necessary. > >> They are fairly cheap (somewhat) for boats.... Experimental eh? > >> Gary - Canada > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Gardner via KRnet > >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:28 PM > >> To: Chris Gardner ; KRnet > >> Subject: Re: KR> Halon > >> > >> Also details on Halon are here: > >> > >> > http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf > >> > >> It is legal in aircraft applications only. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Chris G > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> Are you sure on those facts about Halon? > >>> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com. Site for Halon myths. > >>> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 > because it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer. > >>> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur > built KR2. > >>> Chris G > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 19:51:12 -0500 > > From: Steve Bray <rsbray at gmail.com> > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 > > Message-ID: > > <CADwpQW6AtkMO2jLcO0aecs2pW4JKCCHXY6BPwEVD0aggsC35AQ at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CLEAN UP YOUR REPLYS. > > > >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM, <krnet-request at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >> > >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > >> krnet at list.krnet.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> krnet-request at list.krnet.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> krnet-owner at list.krnet.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. KR for sale (Kelly Lindblad) > >> 2. Re: KR for sale (Gabriele Morino) > >> 3. test (Mike Sylvester) > >> 4. Re: test (Paul Visk) > >> 5. Sid (Paul Visk) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:35:58 -0500 > >> From: "Kelly Lindblad" <cjijlin at charter.net> > >> To: <krnet at list.krnet.org>, "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> > >> Subject: KR> KR for sale > >> Message-ID: <6C93EC9764DC4847865DC86A10BC0483 at UserHP> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >> reply-type=original > >> > >> I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no > >> luck. > >> I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it. The first time, only to have > the > >> kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger > >> bolts in landing gear. I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John > >> Shaffer-N 455JS. The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. > This > >> plane is powered with a Suburu E81 engine and propelled with a Al > Shouse > >> wooden prop. It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic brakes. > >> It > >> has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year. I feel I am not > >> capable at 79 to fly this plane. Also Ellason Throttle body carb. > >> > >> This plane is located in Benson,Mn. I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 > or > >> my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail cjijlin at charter.net > >> > >> Thank You, > >> Kelly Lindblad, > >> 311-16th St. So., > >> Benson, Mn. 56215 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: krnet-request at list.krnet.org > >> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 11:00 AM > >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org > >> Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 > >> > >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > >> krnet at list.krnet.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> krnet-request at list.krnet.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> krnet-owner at list.krnet.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Selecting an airport to be based at (Sid Wood) > >> 2. Re: Adelaide visit (budz) > >> 3. Re: Selecting an airport to be based at (Dave Acklam) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 19:06:07 -0400 > >> From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> > >> To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at > >> Message-ID: <84B7918F7D04448DA0CD23E52A6FFD07 at CORP55THINK> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >> reply-type=original > >> > >> Maybe it is because airplane have vented tanks and quick drains while > cars > >> have closed fuel systems. Most gas cans also have tight fitting caps. > >> > >> Sid Wood > >> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > >> Mechanicsville, MD, USA > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less > >> if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars > >> and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they > >> refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained > >> an airplane. Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with > >> rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA > >> standards. > >> > >> <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the > >> tanks > >> of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved > >> containers that are completely sealed? > >> > >> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day > >> that > >> he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of > >> the > >> hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and > >> drained one wing tank. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:17:12 -0600 > >> From: budz <budz at shaw.ca> > >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org > >> Subject: Re: KR> Adelaide visit > >> Message-ID: <55208D18.40904 at shaw.ca> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >> > >> > >> > >> I am visiting my son in Adelaide April 10 to 20. If anyone would like to > >> chat about kr2 & flying there, it would be fun to visit. C-GJEY first > >> flew Dec '79. > >> cheers, Bud Zeitz > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:54:57 -0700 > >> From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.krnet at gmail.com> > >> To: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at > >> Message-ID: > >> <CAAeYjfgWLr-M=hjYE8GbqUvrW-qo82nbs0J+x81kLtdMPy=7TQ at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> > >> At least around where I am, some of the public airports sell mogas > >> on-field. > >> > >> It's one of the few places in WA where you can get booze-free gas. > >> > >> That said, I found a private airport that rents T-hangars for $150/mo > and > >> is closer to my house than any other field that's not a > >> residents-only-airpark, so that was an easy choice... > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. > Im > >>> finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas > in. > >>> They state safety concerns. Is this common? > >>> One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas. > But > >>> if you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it. > >>> > >>> Paul Visk > >>> Belleville Il. > >>> 618 406 4705 > >>> > >>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > >> change > >>> options > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >> KRnet mailing list > >> KRnet at list.krnet.org > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 > >> ************************************ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 22:10:21 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: Gabriele Morino <mail_morino at yahoo.de> > >> To: Kelly Lindblad <cjijlin at charter.net>, KRnet <krnet at > >> list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: Re: KR> KR for sale > >> Message-ID: > >> <1956800920.312622.1428271821112.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> > >> Dear Kelly, > >> I?m Sorry, that you don?t want to fly and sorry, that this mail isn?t a > >> buying offer for you KR. > >> > >> I just finished KR-2 and received the Airworthiness certificate. I have > >> the original landing gear.Tell me please, which bolts collapsed, wheel > >> center or at the spring bar or else? > >> Which bulletin (you mean surely the "News Letter")shall I look in? > >> Which gear(retractable?)did John Schaffer use??? before my gear > collapse. > >> > >> My gear retracted while taxi run, in Oct., the prop was broken and the > >> crankshaft got off center,I`m waiting for the engine done next week, > so, I > >> am desparate to avoid another collapse!!! > >> > >> It would be a great help, if you would give me these answer, or anything > >> else, many thanks!! > >> With best regardYoshio Morino N5247N, Hamburg, Germany > >> > >> > >> Von: Kelly Lindblad via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> An: krnet at list.krnet.org; Mark Langford <ml at n56ml.com> > >> Gesendet: 20:35 Sonntag, 5.April 2015 > >> Betreff: KR> KR for sale > >> > >> ? ? I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no > >> luck. > >> I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it.? The first time, only to have > the > >> kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger > >> bolts in landing gear.? I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John > >> Shaffer-N 455JS.? The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. > This > >> plane is powered with a Suburu? E81 engine and propelled with a Al > Shouse > >> wooden prop.? It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic > brakes.? > >> It > >> has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year.? I feel I am not > >> capable at 79 to fly this plane.? Also Ellason Throttle body carb. > >> > >> This plane is located in Benson,Mn.? I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 > or > >> my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail? cjijlin at charter.net > >> > >> Thank You, > >> Kelly Lindblad, > >> 311-16th St. So., > >> Benson, Mn. 56215 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: krnet-request at list.krnet.org > >> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 11:00 AM > >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org > >> Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 > >> > >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > >> krnet at list.krnet.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> krnet-request at list.krnet.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> krnet-owner at list.krnet.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> ? 1. Re:? Selecting an airport to be based at (Sid Wood) > >> ? 2. Re:? Adelaide visit (budz) > >> ? 3. Re:? Selecting an airport to be based at (Dave Acklam) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 19:06:07 -0400 > >> From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> > >> To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at > >> Message-ID: <84B7918F7D04448DA0CD23E52A6FFD07 at CORP55THINK> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >> reply-type=original > >> > >> Maybe it is because airplane have vented tanks and quick drains while > cars > >> have closed fuel systems.? Most gas cans also have tight fitting caps. > >> > >> Sid Wood > >> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > >> Mechanicsville, MD, USA > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less > >> if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars > >> and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they > >> refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained > >> an airplane.? Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with > >> rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA > >> standards. > >> > >> <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the > >> tanks > >> of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved > >> containers that are completely sealed? > >> > >> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day > >> that > >> he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of > >> the > >> hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and > >> drained one wing tank. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:17:12 -0600 > >> From: budz <budz at shaw.ca> > >> To: krnet at list.krnet.org > >> Subject: Re: KR> Adelaide visit > >> Message-ID: <55208D18.40904 at shaw.ca> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >> > >> > >> > >> I am visiting my son in Adelaide April 10 to 20. If anyone would like to > >> chat about kr2 & flying there, it would be fun to visit.? C-GJEY first > >> flew Dec '79. > >> cheers, Bud Zeitz > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:54:57 -0700 > >> From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.krnet at gmail.com> > >> To: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at > >> Message-ID: > >> <CAAeYjfgWLr-M=hjYE8GbqUvrW-qo82nbs0J+x81kLtdMPy=7TQ at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> > >> At least around where I am, some of the public airports sell mogas > >> on-field. > >> > >> It's one of the few places in WA where you can get booze-free gas. > >> > >> That said, I found a private airport that rents T-hangars for $150/mo > and > >> is closer to my house than any other field that's not a > >> residents-only-airpark, so that was an easy choice... > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm starting to look for airports in the area to base my airplane at. > Im > >>> finding the public airports do not allow you to bring your own mogas > in. > >>> They state safety concerns.? Is this common? > >>> ? One of the benefits of a Corvair engine is being able to use mogas.? > But > >>> if you can't fuel it unless your on a private airport. What good is it. > >>> > >>> Paul Visk > >>> Belleville Il. > >>> 618 406 4705 > >>> > >>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > >> change > >>> options > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >> KRnet mailing list > >> KRnet at list.krnet.org > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 > >> ************************************ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > >> options > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 20:03:30 -0500 > >> From: Mike Sylvester <shagster60 at hotmail.com> > >> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: KR> test > >> Message-ID: <SNT152-W68513E6F5CEEB49C0D43ACC4FE0 at phx.gbl> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> test > >> > >> Mike Sylvester > >> kr2s builder > >> Birmingham,AL. > >> > >> Cell no.205-966-3854 > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:18:43 -0500 > >> From: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> > >> To: Mike Sylvester <shagster60 at hotmail.com>, KRnet > >> <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: Re: KR> test > >> Message-ID: <3xerjo9o2add6k5yl4128egy.1428283123699 at email.android.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> It's working > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > >> > >> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Mike Sylvester > via > >> KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> </div><div>Date:04/05/2015 9:03 PM > >> (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: krnet at list.krnet.org </div><div>Subject: KR> > >> test </div><div> > >> </div>test > >> > >> Mike Sylvester > >> kr2s builder > >> Birmingham,AL. > >> > >> Cell no.205-966-3854 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > >> options > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 5 > >> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:27:37 -0500 > >> From: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> > >> To: KR EMAIL BOARD <krnet at list.krnet.org> > >> Subject: KR> Sid > >> Message-ID: <dm7nwb2cqdv42abhwfs2qfhr.1428283657950 at email.android.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> Did you get my email I sent you? > >> > >> Paul Visk > >> Belleville > >> 618 406 4705 > >> > >> > >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >> KRnet mailing list > >> KRnet at list.krnet.org > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 > >> ************************************ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 18 > > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 21:11:03 -0400 > > From: "Virgil N.Salisbury" <facilitator1 at bellsouth.net> > > To: Bill Wood <billw at guspro.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Halon > > Message-ID: <55232EA7.2030204 at bellsouth.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > > > Double check that info. Halon in buildings was safe to breathe > > while evacuating the building. DO NOT BE SMOKING THOUGH, > > Virg > > > > > >> On 4/6/2015 5:56 PM, Bill Wood via KRnet wrote: > >> Not sure what the laws are in the US but in Canada, Halon was pulled > many years ago. It is one of the most efficient fire suppression systems > around except for the fact the chemical reaction with fire creates a fatal > poisonous gas. I don't think i would use it in my aircraft. > >> > >> Just my $0.02 worth. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 19 > > Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 20:38:53 -0500 > > From: bjoenunley <bjoenunley at gmail.com> > > To: Patrick Driscoll via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: <gjjykfkpqxh8fwfxfo27cces.1428370733738 at email.android.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > When the AH64 Apache would refuel we always had a fire extinguisher > close by. Also a good idea for me. I will be keeping one handy for me > during refueling operations on my airplanes.? > > > > Has anyone read NTSB reports about wood airplanes catching fire during > refueling? Or know of any? > > > > The Apache had two halon canisters in each engine compartment activated > by either pilot in case of an engine fire. They phased halon out and did a > big study to come up with a replacement. I could tell you what they > evaluated but not what fire suppression system they decided on. ?? > > > > Joe > > > > > > "The US Air force uses Halon extinguishers and when I was in the > reserves, I? > > had Halon extinguishers in my print shop."? > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 20 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 00:12:00 -0500 > > From: Nerobro <nerobro at gmail.com> > > To: bjoenunley <bjoenunley at gmail.com>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: > > <CABLCE0iH4xLESF-dsaNz+bvWDuS-JkWu2uvwNUxSCN5cWK6roQ at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > There are a lot of halon like materials. The datacenter I used to help > run > > used another air displacement system. I'll look up the brand shortly. > > Halotron I think it was. It's a hydrocarbon, and it's evaporation and > gas > > displacment work for smothering, cooling, and displacing :-) > > > > Being in the room when the system goes off, is.. uh.. unpleasant. But so > > long as things don't hit you, or a rack get blown down onto you, you're > > safe. The air becomes hard to breathe, but not deadly. (provided the > > system is sized properly for the volume at hand) "you" can survive in > > lower o2 partial pressures than materials need to burn. :-) > >> On Apr 6, 2015 8:39 PM, "bjoenunley via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > >> > >> When the AH64 Apache would refuel we always had a fire extinguisher > close > >> by. Also a good idea for me. I will be keeping one handy for me during > >> refueling operations on my airplanes. > >> > >> Has anyone read NTSB reports about wood airplanes catching fire during > >> refueling? Or know of any? > >> > >> The Apache had two halon canisters in each engine compartment activated > by > >> either pilot in case of an engine fire. They phased halon out and did a > big > >> study to come up with a replacement. I could tell you what they > evaluated > >> but not what fire suppression system they decided on. > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> "The US Air force uses Halon extinguishers and when I was in the > reserves, > >> I > >> had Halon extinguishers in my print shop." > >> > >> > >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > >> options > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 21 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 15:52:40 +0200 > > From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> > > To: nerobro at gmail.com, krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel handling & fires > > Message-ID: > > > <trinity-43b5e5da-7c23-4a05-8e09-704c1341f548-1428414759930 at > 3capp-mailcom-lxa04 > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > >> There are a lot of halon like materials. The datacenter I used to help > run > >> used another air displacement system. I'll look up the brand shortly. > >> Halotron I think it was. > > > > Halotron is the new "enviro-friendly" non-CFC Halon replacement. Like > Halon, it is designed to interrupt the chemical process of burning rather > than displacing the O2 out of the air, which is what makes it human safe. > > > > The halon that is available is also considered to be enviro-friendly. > Since there is no "safe" way to dispose of Halon, all halon is recycled > until it is eventually released, hopefully doing what it is designed to do. > > > > -Jeff Scott > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 22 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:30:10 -0400 > > From: "Sid Wood" <smwood at md.metrocast.net> > > To: <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Subject: KR> Visit > > Message-ID: <558294CB08314200AD2028B37A01F583 at CORP55THINK> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Paul Visk stopped by last night for a visit to look over N6242 . We had > > three hours of intense discussion ranging from mission definition to > getting > > the washers on straight, to accompany the show & tell. The KRnet does > help > > get info out; Gatherings allow up-close real time viewing and > conversation; > > but visits with the panels open and cowl off for condition inspection > > provide the best transfer, IMHO. > > Hopefully he was able to take away some of my lessons learned to help > > expedite construction on his tri-gear KR-2S. > > > > Sid Wood > > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > > Mechanicsville, MD, USA > > > > P.S. Getting the washers on straight helps build character. > > http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=3968984905001 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > KRnet mailing list > > KRnet at list.krnet.org > > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 92 > > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
