On Saturday, November 15, 2014 03:10:10 PM Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Scarlett Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:42:20 AM Clay Weber wrote: > >> On Saturday, November 15, 2014 02:32:05 AM Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > >> > Hello, I helped a user through the painful process of upgrading in > >> > #kubuntu last night. He encountered the same issues I did: > >> > > >> > 1. wireless stopped working > >> > > >> > 2. blank or unresponsive screen > >> > > >> > I held his hand while he repeated the suggested steps to upgrading in > >> > the console one more time, plus had him remove lightdm. I asked him to > >> > look in his bash history to check that he indeed *had* done all the > >> > steps correctly the first time, but never got a reply to that > >> > question. So perhaps he made a typo at some point, or did things out > >> > of order. > >> > > >> > That said, why is wireless still getting stopped in the /next ppa? And > >> > why is lightdm still not being removed when SDDM is chosen? > >> > > >> > We have people who held off a few weeks for things to settle down, > >> > which is prudent. But IMO things have NOT improved, and we owe them > >> > better. It makes it difficult for people to test Plasma 5 if they > >> > can't successfully install it with the tools we give them. > >> > > >> > Note: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu says: > >> > > >> > Install from Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4 > >> > > >> > If you are running Kubuntu 14.10 with Plasma 4 you can install Plasma > >> > 5 packages with these commands. This will replace your Plasma 4 > >> > desktop and much of the software. No upgrade will be supported and you > >> > may have to reinstall to revert back to Plasma 4. > >> > > >> > sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next > >> > sudo apt update > >> > sudo apt install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop [it will ask if you want to > >> > set use the new SDDM as login manager] > >> > sudo apt full-upgrade > >> > sudo reboot [save any work first] > >> > >> Oddly, when running apt-update, it displays this : > >> > >> Reading state information... Done > >> 22 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. > >> > >> Doing the suggested command outputs this: > >> gus@gus-HP-Compaq-6000-Pro-SFF-PC:~$ apt list --upgradable > >> Listing... Done > >> about-distro/utopic 1.50+git20140731.1 amd64 [upgradable from: > >> 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] gstreamer-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 > > > > amd64 > > > >> [upgradable from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2] > >> gstreamer0.10-qapt/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 all > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2] > >> kde-config-gtk-style/utopic 3:2.9.90-0ubuntu0~ppa2 amd64 [upgradable > > > > from: > >> 3:2.2.1-1fakesync1] > >> kde-config-whoopsie/utopic 14.10ubuntu0+git20140731.1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable > > > >> from: 14.04ubuntu2] > >> kinfocenter/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1] > >> kmenuedit/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1] > >> kscreen/utopic 2.0.0~git20140827-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable > > > >> from: 1.0.2.1-0ubuntu1] > >> ksysguard/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1] > >> ksysguardd/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1] > >> kubuntu-debug-installer/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5+101~ubuntu14.10.1 > > > > amd64 > > > >> [upgradable from: 13.10ubuntu1] > >> kubuntu-driver-manager/utopic 14.10ubuntu1+qt5.1 amd64 [upgradable > > > > from: > >> 14.04ubuntu10] > >> libqapt2-runtime/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2] > >> plasma-dataengines-addons/utopic > > > > 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2] > >> plasma-desktop/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable > > > >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1] > >> plasma-nm/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable from: > >> 0.9.3.4-1] > >> plasma-widget-kimpanel/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 > > > > amd64 > > > >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2] > >> plasma-widgets-addons/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 > > > > amd64 > > > >> [upgradable from: 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2] > >> qapt-batch/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64 [upgradable > > > > from: > >> 2.2.0-0ubuntu2] > >> qapt-deb-installer/utopic 2.2.0+qt5+20140826-0ubuntu1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable > > > >> from: 2.2.0-0ubuntu2] > >> systemsettings/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 amd64 > > > > [upgradable > > > >> from: 4:4.11.12-0ubuntu1.1] > >> ttf-oxygen-font-family/utopic 4:5.1.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1 > > > > amd64 > > > >> [upgradable from: 0.4~git20140212-0ubuntu1] > >> > >> It looks like some plasma-next ppa packages are marked as upgradeable > > > > before > > > >> we actually try to install plasma5? These include plasma-nm and > >> plasma-desktop > >> > >> Note that if we do not do a full-upgrade *before* installing > >> kubuntu-plasma5- desktop, these packages are not installed.: > >> > >> 0 upgraded, 184 newly installed, 9 to remove and 22 not upgraded > >> > >> Is this what is causing > >> plasma-nm to "disappear"? Should the instructions have us do a full- > > > > upgrade > > > >> *before* > >> installing plasma5? Or would plasma-nm stop working in either case? > >> > >> > He correctly did these steps, but only after getting his wireless to > >> > work with a cli application, and after `apt remove lightdm` > >> > > >> > Valorie > > > > Ummm, wut? Upgrading 14.04 directly to 14.10 plasma5 is not possible as > > 14.04 does not have plasma5. So what needs to happen here is a complete > > upgrade 14.04 plasma4 -> 14.10 Plasma4 then when everything is stable > > and happy, aka apt is done and clean everything tested ... network etc. > > THEN you can go through the steps to upgrade to plasma5 as instructed on > > the wiki.... > > Scarlett > > Right, the user had already done the upgrade to 14.10. Perhaps I > should have spent more time making sure that was a happy upgrade, but > he had already gone partly through the steps to switch to Plasma 5. > When he finally was able to do the full-upgrade step, there were only > a few packages. So I'm relatively sure he had fully upgraded first. I > certainly did so, and used 14.10 for a few hours before doing the > upgrade to Plasma 5. > > And I had to uninstall both lightdm *and* kdm to get things running. > As well as running nmcli to get any networking at all, including > wired. I got it going, but am dismayed that it is not any smoother now > than it was on day zero. > > Valorie
Well trusty -> utopic -> plasma5 is a special usecase as several things changed between trusty and utopic and even moreso with plasma5. I honestly have not done this myself, so perhaps a WARNING on the wiki stating this usecase is known to cause problems and it is advised to do a fresh install. At least until someone can sit down and come up with a better plan. Scarlett -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
