Le 25/05/2016 04:09, Valorie Zimmerman a écrit :
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Xen <[email protected]> wrote:
On my system (16.04) there is:
qtchooser: /usr/bin/qdbusviewer
qttools5-dev-tools: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbusviewer
qdbusviewer will try to start
qt4-dev-tools: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbusviewer
but is not installed.
installing requires 146 MB additional diskspace.
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbusviewer works fine when directly
invoked, but from KDE it also doesn't work as it probably starts
/usr/bin/qdbusviewer
I was trying to discover how to replace Spectacle with KSnapshot as I
consider the latter a vastly superior program at least in terms of user
experience.
I realize though you can just use command line options for KSnapshot just
fine.
Spectacle just has a badly designed UI. "Export to" doesn't make sense,
whereas "Send to" does. "Save and exit" with 4 options doesn't make sense,
just "Save" does. "Copy to clipboard" doesn't make sense, whereas just
"Copy" does. The only thing annoying about KSnapshot is that it maximizes
often upon start, and it remembers previous names you have saved under,
giving you confusing filenames upon saving. In this case KSnapshot iterates
and increases the number of the file.
The suffix. It's not very useful unless you explicitly set that as an
option, not as the last filename you saved under. Spectacle will directly
save to disk upon fullscreen mode activation (shift-print) with a useful
predictable name that doesn't make sense but also doesn't confuse.
I guess many users would prefer the way of making a screenshot without
starting the visible application that Spectacle has, which is something
KSnapshot strangely doesn't offer. Personally I have also chosen to stick to
that - there is no need for a 3rd flag for KSnapshot for me.
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Spectacle also has weird stuff like the making a screenshot of the window
under the cursor with no delay and without a mouseclick (you have to be
really fast people) and that this is the default; and that you can make a
screenshot of the active window from the UI by clicking on some other window
after you have activated it (and not the active window itself) or that
"active window" makes sense from the UI at all; why not just click on it
then? Active window is an operation for tool-less activation, meaning based
on a shortcut. It has no place in a UI that is itself the active window when
you use it. (It will take the previously active window by default, but in
that case you could have clicked on it or used a keyboard shortcut; there is
not really a reason to have active window as an option here.
It will also not work for popup menus, whereas KSnaphost will. It will leave
you with either the main application window (active window mode) or a blank
screenshot (window under cursor mode).
It can also not even snapshot the KDE menu correctly, leaving you with a
transparent image instead of what the user sees (my KDE menu is not
transparent). I am amazed at how much bad stuff I can find for this program,
even though I am trying :p.
Last but not least the "take new screenshot" button is just not in a
comfortable position and the window is too big (and you cannot resize it)
for comfortable use since usually you'd be interested in the windows behind
it, right.
I mean it seems they did everything just about right to make it
dysfunctional. That is also a skill.
Why people have chosen this thing instead of improving on the old? I don't
know. I guess only the name is better (Spectacle). KSnapshot definitely had
(and has) limitations but they would be easy to fix and apparently no one is
doing it. Its visible dialogue layout is also not that outstanding but it
could be improved you know. It's just the spatial layout of the bottom
section though, the rest is perfect. I seriously have no need for anything
other than KSnapshot in addition to saving in the background, and getting
rid of those weird names (previous save names) and also.
Being able to create snapshots of a window without transparent border.
That's probably a KWin feature, I find it hard to know how to get the DBus
thing working for a single Window on purpose / call. You can't actually
create shadow-less "square" (or rectangular) screenshots of windows without
any extra fluff, but that do contain the window title. You'd have to turn
all kinds of desktop effects off for that every time. It was worse under the
blue glow of KDE 4 I think, because the extra space you got was even bigger
(much bigger). It's pretty workable now.
Anyway those were my opinions for a long time about KSnapshot but now with
Spectacle everything has got worse (apart from the background mode) (and the
name Lol) and I am happy to find that it takes no more than perhaps 3 hours
of working and subsequently writing to a mailing list, to set it back to
KSnapshot.
Regards, B.
But PS PS
I just fixed it for now by symlinking the qt5 qdbusviewer to the qt4 one:
sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbusviewer
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin
Hello Xen, have you filed bugs against Spectacle in bugs.kde.org? The
developer does not (presumably) read this list. Ksnapshot was not only
unmaintained, but was rapidly bit-rotting, and also would completely
cease to function in the post-Wayland world, so the Spectacle devel
took what he could of the old code, and started anew with the rest of
the application.
It is new, so bug reports are welcomed. It is fine to do the
workaround of making ksnapshot work for now, but that will not work
forever. Therefore, it will help all of us if you make the effort to
file bug reports and make Spectacle better.
All the best,
Valorie
Hello
I was not aware that Ksnapshot is deprecated and I use it regularly with
no problem. I will test spectacle.
For more complex screen recordings I use SimlpeScreenRecorder
<http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/> with it it's possible
to record video
Regards : TuxMario
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