Yang pertama, informasi Bung Reva ini mengisyaratkan bahwa,
sekali lagi, bahwa informasi yang tersedia itu jenis imperfect
information, artinya mengandung kemungkinan tidak benar. Oleh
karena itu, kita harus menyediakan ruang bagi kemungkinan bahwa
informasi yang kita terima tidak benar.

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era informasi yang berseliweran ini kita perlu untuk memperoleh
tambahan informasi dari sumber lain agar persepsi kita mendekati
kebenaran. Oleh karena itu, satu sumber informasi harus
dibandingkan dengan sumber lain yang diyakini lebih baik.

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bagaimanapun tidak bebas dari kecerobohan entah itu disengaja
atau tidak disengaja. Oleh karena itu, sikap kritis yang
dilandasi oleh kejernihan berpikir dan semangat kejujuran
bagaimanapun juga harus tetap dipelihara.

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From: Reva Renaldo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: 13 November 1999 22:48
Subject: [Kuli Tinta] Transkrip Gus Dur - Clinton & berita
Detikcom


> Presiden Gus Dur dan Presiden Clinton bertemu di Gedung Putih,
Jumat siang
> waktu setempat (Jumat malam WIB). Sehabis pertemuan, kedua
kepala negara
> melakukan "photo opportunity" di depan wartawan, di mana
berlangsung
> tanya-jawab dengan pers. Kebetulan saya punya transkrip lengkap
keterangan
> kedua presiden dalam acara yang tak lain dai jumpa pers
tersebut. Maka saya
> jadi terperengah membaca berita Detikcom yang menyatakan
sehabis pertemuan
> tidak ada acara jumpa pers sebagaimana lazimnya. Malah
ditambahi alasan
> karena kunjungan Gus Dur itu tidak resmi. Sebagaimana pembaca
setia
> Detikcom, saya jadi bertanya: Wah, lagi-lagi bagaimana nih
kredibilitas
> berita Detikcom? Silakan baca transkrip tersebut, yang di
bawahnya langsung
> saya forward juga berita Detikcom.
>
> Salam: Reva Renaldo
>
> Jumpa pers Gus Dur - Clinton:
>
>                              THE WHITE HOUSE
>                        Office of the Press Secretary
> _________________________________________________________
> For Immediate Release
November 12, 1999
>
>                        REMARKS BY PRESIDENT CLINTON
>                       AND INDONESIAN PRESIDENT WAHID
>                            IN PHOTO OPPORTUNITY
>                               The Oval Office
>
> 12:20 P.M. EST
>
>           PRESIDENT CLINTON:  Let me say, it's a great honor
for me and for
> all of our team to welcome President Wahid here, with the
members of his
> government.  He is now the leader of the world's third-largest
democracy,
> and we are very encouraged by that.  We have seen this peaceful
transition
> in Indonesia; we've seen a resolution in East Timor, even
though there's
> still the problem of refugees in West Timor.  And I'm looking
very much
> forward to this visit.
>           I think the American people know that a strong and
stable and
> prosperous and democratic Indonesia is very much in our
interest.  That's
> the sort of partnership we're interested in pursuing, and I
hope I can be
> helpful in that regard.
>           So I'm delighted to have you here, Mr. President.
And if you'd
> like to make any public comment to the press while you're
here --
>           PRESIDENT WAHID:  Well, thank you for putting a
little time for
> me today to visit you, Mr. President, because you know that I
come from
> Indonesia just to make sure that we are still great friends of
the United
> States, that we are still in good touch with you.  And I think
that in the
> future, we meet you more than before.  So also that you know
that although
> there is a shift in policy, but not at the expense of the
> American-Indonesian relationship.  This is very important to
know, since
> you understand that this is one world, so we have to create
that kind of
> one world.
>           And I'm interested in the comment you made about our
religious
> dialogue, which goes toward one world, in that sense.  You see,
from far
> away we heard that you made very nice comments on those
inter-religious
> dialogues in Indonesia.  And I hope that two months to come, in
January,
> we'll have a discussion initiated by the Americans from
Philadelphia, with
> the Foreign Minister to be a participant there, to be on the
organizing
> committee.  We will invite, of course, chief rabbi of Israel as
well as the
> -- former chief rabbi.  And from here, from the Catholic side
and so forth,
> I don't know who will come.  But anyway, around 50 people will
come there,
> of the three Abrahamic traditions.
>           And since, you know, that kind of thing is special
for us in
> Indonesia, I would like to use this occasion to inform you
about this,
> before anything else -- economic things.  Those are the
troubles there.
>           So I'm very glad.  Today I met people from the World
Bank and the
> IMF and then from the Ex-Im Bank, in which we see the
possibility of having
> more hands extended towards us, to help us to overcome the
difficulties in
> the economic shape, now.
>           Well, you mentioned about East Timor.  I think that,
of course,
> we still have trouble, and we would like the United States to
take
> attention to this kind of problem as well.  But I would like to
inform you,
> Mr. President, that -- will come to Jakarta, and I'll meet him.
So I hope
> that will ease a little bit the situation in that area, because
East Timor
> is, you know, our brothers.
>           PRESIDENT CLINTON:  Thank you very much.  That's very
good news.
>           Q    President Wahid, sir, President Wahid, sir, why
are you
> inclined to be willing to pardon your predecessor, President
Soeharto?  And
> President Clinton, what do you think of the possibility of a pa
rdon for
> him?
>           PRESIDENT WAHID:  I think if we -- we will use law,
of course.
> And we would like to know whether he is guilty or not,
according to the
> law.  But after that, we will pardon him because of two
reasons.  First is
> that he was our President, so we have to be careful about this
for the
> future generations.  Second thing is that, you know, that it's
not easy,
> because Mr. Soeharto still has big followers.  So we have to be
careful not
> to, let's say, topple the cart.
>           PRESIDENT CLINTON:  I think the decision, first of
all, is one
> for the Indonesian people and government to make.  And I think
every
> country has to decide how to resolve the tension between the
pursuit of a
> particular case and the desire for the reconciliation of
people, and to go
> forward.  And I think that that's a decision that the President
has to
> make, and we ought to support his -- anything that he's trying
to do to
> build democracy and to take Indonesia into the future.
>           Yes, you had a question?
>           Q    Mr. President, after this meeting will you
resume military
> assistance to Indonesia?
>           PRESIDENT CLINTON:  Well, we're going to talk about
that, and
> about what kinds of things that we both can do, over a period
of time, to
> strengthen our relationships, including the issue of
military-to-military
> ties.  And I look forward to talking to the President about
that.
>           Q    How important is the structural integrity -- the
territorial
> integrity of Indonesia?  And is it more important than the
> self-determination of the peoples of Indonesia?
>           PRESIDENT CLINTON:  Well, I don't think it has to be
an either-or
> thing.  I think the -- I said, at the time when Indonesia
supported giving
> the East Timorese a vote, that I would support that, and that
having given
> them the vote, that the vote had to be respected.
>           On the other hand, we support the territorial
integrity of
> Indonesia.  And I think we have to acknowledge that it's quite
a
> challenging task to preserve a democracy so widespread and so
diverse.  And
> I hope we can be somewhat helpful in the President dealing with
this
> challenge.
>
> Berikut ini berita Detikcom, yang antara lain menyatakan di
akhir pertemuan
> itu tidak ada jumpa pers sebagai lazimnya, karena kunjungan Gus
Dur tersebut
> tidak resmi:
>
>                                  Setelah Bertemu Presiden World
Bank
>                                  Gus Dur - Clinton Bertemu 30
Menit
>                                  Reporter: Nurul Hidayati
>
>                                  detikcom, Wahington DC-
Presiden Gus Dur
> melakukan
>                                  pertemuan secara tidak resmi
dengan
> Presiden AS, Bill Clinton
>                                  pada Jumat (12/11/1999) siang
waktu Amerika
> atau Jumat
>                                  malam waktu Indonesia.
Bertemuan itu
> berlangsung di White
>                                  House. Tidak lama memang.
Hanya 30 menit
> saja.
>
>                                  Pertemuan kedua kepala negara
itu berakhir
> pada pukul 23.45
>                                  wib. Di akhir pertemuan memang
tidak ada
> acara jumpa pers
>                                  sebagai lazimnya. Soalnya,
kunjungan Gus
> Dur itu sifatnya tidak
>                                  resmi. Bukan kunjungan
kenegaraan.
>
>                                  Sebelum bertemu dengan
Presiden Clinton,
> Gus Dur sempat
>                                  melakukan pembicaraan dengan
para petinggi
> lembaga-lembaga
>                                  keuangan internasional. Antara
lain Gus Dur
> bertemu Presiden
>                                  World Bank, James
>                                  Walfensohn, Deputy Directur
Pelaksana
>                                  IMF Stanley Fischer dan
Direktur Exim Bank,
> James Hatmen.
>
>                                  Gus Dur bertemu dengan para
petinggi
> lembaga keuangan
>                                  internasional itu di Hotel
Watergate. Di
> Hotel yang namanya
>                                  bersejarah itulah, selama
berada di
> Washington DC, Presiden
>                                  Gus Dur menginap.
>
>                                  Sebelum bertemu dengan mereka,
Gus Dur yang
> hadir dalam
>                                  acara silaturahmi dengan
masyarakat
>                                  Amerika-Indonesia yang
tergabung dalam
> Usindo (The
>                                  Uniter-Indonesia Soceity)
menyatakan, bahwa
> negara-negara
>                                  barat tetap diperlukan di
dalam membantu
> memulihkan
>                                  perekonomian Indonesia.
>
>                                  Setelah bertemu dengan
Clinton, Gus Dur
> akan langsung terbang
>                                  ke Salt Lake City untuk
melakukan
> pengobatan mata. Di Salt
>                                  Lake City, Gus Dur akan
menginap semalam
> sebelum kemudian
>                                  terbang ke Tokyo, Jepang.
>



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