2015.01.27 19:03, Rob Weir rašė:
A problem here is what happens with outdated information. We're
fortunate to have long-term contributors like you, taking ownership of
a translation. But in many cases someone helps with only a single
release and then they move on. Someone else helps with the next
release. And so on. So this contact information becomes out of date.
Undoubtedly, those are real questions. Similar concerns have led me to
think that the contact page should be used only when volunteers deem
their efforts to be sustainable (i.e., measurable in years).
2015.01.27 19:03, Rob Weir rašė:
This frustrates new volunteers more than it helps them, since their
emails can go unanswered and no one else in the project even knows
these new volunteers exist. This is why we encourage translation
volunteers to use this mailing list,[email protected], as their
first point of contact. This is where the translation community
lives. We should all be subscribed to this list. Of course, there
is nothing wrong with responding to a new volunteer's note and
following up via private email, or directing them to an NL mailing
list. That is fine.
Engaging new volunteers wasn't quite the intention for the contact page,
though. The right venue for this would definitely be the mailing list.
My own motives for the proposal have sprung from my actions and needs as
a contributor. I've described them in an earlier e-mail to Andrea.
Basically, it's about 1) reinforcing a working contributor's credibility
when he/she is reaching out and promoting AOO and 2) increasing a
working contributor's chances to be seen and approached whatever the
unknown opportunities be.
Here's what I mean by no. 1
"https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1210965/AOO/150128%20Contact%20scenario%201.png";
and by no. 2
"https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1210965/AOO/150128%20Contact%20scenario%202.png";.
I am of the thinking that for the general public mailing lists are
discouraging, to say the least, as they represent a "talking to a
device" type of communication. Being technically minded as I am, I am
still reluctant to give away my e-mail address to generic automated
services in cases when it should be a one-time person-to-person contact.
2015.01.27 20:41, Louis Suárez-Potts rašė:
More generally, I’m in favour of tactics that may be temporary, ad hoc,
local—but effective, at least for that moment and provided that the aftermath
is less a ruin than a milestone.
This is how I see it, too. That is why the initiative should be viewed
as an experiment with periodic appraisal and feedback.
2015.01.27 21:52, Rob Weir rašė:
Note: We don't put personal contact anywhere else, not for marketing,
press, development, etc. With AOO we have consistently pointed
people to community destinations, websites, fora, mailing lists, etc.
Please, see "http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html";.
I have nothing against that list. I hope they're good people helping
users and generating interest in AOO. For the listed people, the page
serves to expand their opportunities. It is a feature and a service to
them. Some contributors may want to be in a similar position. The
contact page would be an option for them.
2015.01.27 22:06, Louis Suárez-Potts rašė:
What counts as "community mailing lists"?
2015.01.28 01:22, Andrea Pescetti rašė:
So: it's OK for me to insist on an "official" contact that is an
Apache mailing list. But then we should immediately create one the
moment we get a new volunteer for a language. Putting an obstacle like
"we want to be sure that this mailing list will be used" is too much
and will reiterate the same problems Aivaras wants to solve.
I'm all for mailing lists. At the same time I want to stress that the
idea behind the contact page was about increasing contributors'
opportunities for communication with the outside world, not with the
members of the community (for this we do have mailing lists). I'm
bringing this up because the issue tends to get encapsulated in
contributor-to-contributor relations. One source of inspiration for my
work is seeing AOO saturating the local scene (Lithuania). Another one
is getting feedback from that scene. That scene and the AOO project are
two different things. The contact page is an effort to bring them
together in my workspace as a contributor.
Regards,
Aivaras
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