Yakov> I am in the process of addressing your comments. In this e-mail I'd
Yakov> like to focus on one particular one:

Eric> Let's consider the case where the source is at a site attached to
Eric> V-hub2.  V-hub1 will receive an S-PMSI A-D route matching (S,G) from
Eric> V-hub2.  V-hub1 then modifies this A-D route and forwards it to
Eric> V-spoke1.  V-hub1 could use this route to identify the P-tunnel
Eric> originating at V-hub2, thereby instructing V-spoke1 to join V-hub2's
Eric> tunnel directly.  Then V-hub1 would not be in the data path from S to
Eric> R, but it would participate in the control plane.  Wouldn't this meet
Eric> all the requirements of the V-hub/V-spoke architecture, while producing
Eric> a more optimal path for multicast data, and eliminating the need to
Eric> have the V-hubs splice together any P-tunnels?

Eric> Was any consideration given to such an alternative?

Yakov> Please note that the procedures specified in the draft assume
Yakov> the ability to perform sender-based RPF, as specified in 9.1.1
Yakov> of rfc6513.

The text of RFC6513 does not anticipate the use of a "virtual hub".  But
what's wrong with the following procedure:

- V-spoke1 selects V-hub1 as the upstream PE for (C-S,C-G).

- V-hub1 instructs V-spoke1 to receive (C-S,C-G) traffic from a
  unidirectional P-tunnel rooted at V-hub2.  (V-spoke1 follows this
  instruction because V-hub1 is its upstream PE for (C-S,C-G).)

- V-spoke1 drops any (C-S,C-G) traffic that did not arrive from V-hub2 over
  the specified P-tunnel.

Yakov> Furthermore, your outline above talks about S-PMSI A-D route. How
Yakov> would it work for I-PMSI A-D routes ?

Since V-spoke1 cannot determine the real upstream PE, V-spoke1 would
probably have to get a (C-S,C-G) S-PMSI A-D route from V-hub1 for each
(C-S,C-G) in which V-spoke1 has interest.  The PMSI Tunnel attribute would
identify the real upstream PE.  I think V-hub1 has the necessary state to
generate these, since it gets the C-multicast Joins its associated spokes.

Of course, there are trade-offs to be considered.

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