On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 03:20 +0200, Pierre THIERRY wrote: > But there is something very strange, an assumption that you make, in > your arguments: why should I own what I use in a computer?
There is a *second* assumption that Marcus made: that divided ownership is not ownership. What Marcus actually wrote was: >This is the meaning of ownership: You own something if you have the > exclusive right to access, control and dispose it. I may be mis-reading this, but it appears to deny co-equal sharing, or of cooperation in enabling a computation. Perhaps two parties have insufficient space individually, but together they have enough. In this situation, it is possible (technically) to create the following alternatives: 1. Either party can destroy, only one party can access and control. 2. Either party can destroy, *both* parties can access and control. The first corresponds to one user making a "loan" of the space to the second. If I make you a "loan" of my right to storage, this does not imply that I should be able to read what you put in that storage. I need the right to reclaim (destroy), but not the right to access. This is similar to the right of privacy that you have when you rent from a landlord. >From his note, I believe that what Marcus is trying to disable is the ability to own *information*, which is different from storage. I propose that his definition can be slightly weakened without loss of intent: it is okay for another party to hold the right to destroy as long as you (the owner) know about it. This does not weaken your control. It *does* weaken your access, in the sense that access can be lost if you fail to rearrange your storage. This is true in the same way that something you own physically can become broken and valueless. It does not seem to me that this alters anything fundamental about the uses of Marcus's definition. Let me pose a test question about this. Suppose that I own a painting in the sense that Marcus means. It hangs on my wall. I control who goes into the room. I can burn it. I can sell it. I can allow you into the room, and I can impose conditions. For example, I can verify that you do not carry a camera. That is: you can look, but you cannot copy through mechanical means. I would like to understand how this is morally different from DRM. This is not a "troll." I am sincerely trying to understand the moral difference here -- if there is one. shap _______________________________________________ L4-hurd mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/l4-hurd
