The Real Reason for Obama’s Threat to Veto the Indefinite Detention Bill (Hint: 
It’s Not to Protect Liberty)
Posted on December 5, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog 
Obama Wants to Veto the Indefinite Detention Bill Because It Would Hold the 
U.S. to the Geneva Convention
I – like everyone else – am horrified by the Senate’s passage of legislation 
that would allow for indefinite detention of Americans.
And at first, I – like many others – assumed that Obama’s threat to 
veto the bill might be a good thing. But the truth is much more 
disturbing.
As former Wall Street Street editor and columnist Paul Craig Roberts correctly 
notes:
The Obama regime’s objection to military detention is not rooted in concern for 
the constitutional rights of American citizens. 
The regime objects to military detention because the implication of 
military detention is that detainees are prisoners of war. As Senate 
Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin put it: Should somebody 
determined “to be a member of an enemy force who has come to this nation or is 
in this nation to attack us as a member of a foreign enemy, 
should that person be treated according to the laws of war? The answer 
is yes.”
>Detainees treated according to the laws of war have the protections 
of the Geneva Conventions. They cannot be tortured. The Obama regime 
opposes military detention, because detainees would have some rights. 
These rights would interfere with the regime’s ability to send detainees to CIA 
torture prisons overseas. [Yes, Obama is still apparently allowing 
"extraordinary renditions" to torture people abroad.] This is what the Obama 
regime means when it says that the requirement of military detention denies the 
regime “flexibility.”
>The Bush/Obama regimes have evaded the Geneva Conventions by 
declaring that detainees are not POWs, but “enemy combatants,” 
“terrorists,” or some other designation that removes all accountability 
from the US government for their treatment.
>By requiring military detention of the captured, Congress is undoing 
all the maneuvering that two regimes have accomplished in removing POW 
status from detainees.
>A careful reading of the Obama regime’s objections to military detention 
>supports this conclusion. (See 
>http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps1867s_20111117.pdf)
>The November 17 letter to the Senate from the Executive Office of the 
>President says that the Obama regime does not want the authority it has under 
>the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), Public Law 
107-40, to be codified. Codification is risky, the regime says. “After a decade 
of settled jurisprudence on detention authority, Congress must 
be careful not to open a whole new series of legal questions that will 
distract from our efforts to protect the country.”
>In other words, the regime is saying that under AUMF the executive 
branch has total discretion as to who it detains and how it treats 
detainees. Moreover, as the executive branch has total discretion, no 
one can find out what the executive branch is doing, who detainees are, 
or what is being done to them. Codification brings accountability, and 
the executive branch does not want accountability.
>Those who see hope in Obama’s threatened veto have jumped to 
conclusions if they think the veto is based on constitutional scruples.
Police State Started Years Ago
Even if Obama’s threatened veto was for more noble purposes, the fact is that 
it would not change anything, because the U.S. government 
claimed the power to indefinitely detain and assassinate American 
citizens years ago.
For example, law school professor and National Lawyers Guild president Marjorie 
Cohn pointed out in 2006:
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the 
treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering 
by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
>Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone 
noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. 
citizens, “unlawful enemy combatants.”
>***
>Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush’s list of 
>“terrorist” organizations, or who speaks out against the government’s policies 
>could be declared an “unlawful enemy combatant” and imprisoned indefinitely. 
>That includes American citizens.
Glenn Greenwald and Fire Dog Lake’s Emptywheel have also documented 
that the White House has believed for many years that it possessed the 
power to indefinitely detain Americans. See this, this, this, and this.
I noted Friday:
The police state started in 2001.
>Specifically, on 9/11, Vice President Dick Cheney initiated Continuity of 
>Government Plans that ended America’s constitutional form of government (at 
>least for some undetermined period of time.)
>On that same day, a national state of emergency was declared … and that state 
>of emergency has continuously been in effect up to today.
The Obama administration has also said for more than a year and a half it could 
target American citizens for assassination without any trial or due process.
In 2005, Chris Floyd pointed out that the ability of the government to 
assassinate U.S. citizens started the very week of 9/11:
On September 17, 2001, George W. Bush signed an executive order authorizing the 
use of “lethal measures” against anyone in the 
world whom he or his minions designatedan “enemy combatant.” This order remains 
in force today. No judicial evidence, no hearing, no charges are required for 
these 
killings; no law, no border, no oversight restrains them. Bush has also 
given agents in the field carte blanche to designate “enemies” on their 
own initiative and kill them as they see fit.
>The existence of this universal death squad – and the total obliteration of 
>human liberty it represents – has not 
provoked so much as a crumb, an atom, a quantum particle of controversy 
in the American Establishment, although it’s no secret.  The executive 
order was first bruited in the Washington Post in October 2001 …. The New York 
Times added further details in December 2002. That same month, Bush officials 
made clear that the dread edict also 
applied to American citizens, as the Associated Press reported.
>The first officially confirmed use of this power was the killing of an 
>American citizen in Yemen by a CIA drone missile on November 3, 2002. A 
>similar strike occurred in Pakistan this month, when a CIA missile destroyed a 
>house and purportedly killed Abu Hamza 
Rabia, a suspected al Qaeda figure. But the only bodies found at the 
site were those of two children, the houseowner’s son and nephew, 
Reuters reports. The grieving father denied any connection to terrorism. An 
earlier CIA strike on another house missed Rabia but killed his wife and 
children, Pakistani officials reported.
>But most of the assassinations are carried out in secret, quietly, 
professionally, like a contract killing for the mob. As a Pentagon 
document unearthed by the New Yorker in December 2002 put it, the death squads 
must be “small and agile,” and “able to operate 
clandestinely, using a full range of official and non-official cover 
arrangements to…enter countries surreptitiously.”
>The dangers of this policy are obvious, as a UN report on “extrajudicial 
>killings” noted in December 2004: ” Empowering governments to identify and 
>kill ‘known terrorists’ places no verifiable obligation upon them to 
>demonstrate in any way that those against whom lethal force is used are indeed 
>terrorists… While it is 
portrayed as a limited ‘exception’ to international norms, it actually 
creates the potential for an endless expansion of the relevant category 
to include any enemies of the State, social misfits, political 
opponents, or others.”
>It’s hard to believe that any genuine democracy would accept a claim 
by its leader that he could have anyone killed simply by labeling them 
an “enemy.” It’s hard to believe that any adult with even the slightest 
knowledge of history or human nature could countenance such unlimited, 
arbitrary power, knowing the evil it is bound to produce. Yet this is 
what the great and good in America have done. Like the boyars of old, 
they not only countenance but celebrate their enslavement to the ruler.
>[Note from Washington's Blog: 9/11 allowed those who glorify war to implement 
>plans they had lusted after for many years (and see this), even though 9/11 
>happened because Dick Cheney was - at best - totally incompetent, and the 
>government is now doing things which increase the risk of terrorism, instead 
>of doing the things which could actually make us safer.]
>***
>This was vividly demonstrated in … Bush’s State of the Union address in 
>January 2003, delivered to Congress and televised nationwide during the final 
>frenzy of war-drum beating before the assault on Iraq. Trumpeting his 
>successes in the Terror War, Bush claimed that “more than 3,000 
suspected terrorists” had been arrested worldwide – “and many others 
have met a different fate.” His face then took on the characteristic 
leer, the strange, sickly half-smile it acquires whenever he speaks of 
killing people: “Let’s put it this way. They are no longer a problem.”
>In other words, the suspects – and even Bush acknowledged they were 
only suspects – had been murdered. Lynched. Killed by agents operating 
unsupervised in that shadow world where intelligence, terrorism, 
politics, finance and organized crime meld together in one amorphous, 
impenetrable mass. Killed on the word of a dubious informer, perhaps: a 
tortured captive willing to say anything to end his torment, a business rival, 
a personal foe, a bureaucrat looking to impress his 
superiors, a paid snitch in need of cash, a zealous crank pursuing 
ethnic, tribal or religious hatreds – or any other purveyor of the 
garbage data that is coin of the realm in the shadow world.
>Bush proudly held up this hideous system as an example of what he 
called “the meaning of American justice.” And the assembled 
legislators…applauded. Oh, how they applauded!
This is, of course, the real meaning of the famous Star Wars scene:

For the YouTube video, and all underlined links, go to 
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-real-reason-for-obamas-threat-to-veto-the-indefinite-detention-bill-hint-its-not-to-protect-liberty.html

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