Cort, Thank you so much for your explanation. I hadn't thought about people being turned off by PressTV, and perhaps that is part of it, although I think that a couple of people on LAAMN have other issues.
Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) used to say, "Take truth, even from the side of the road." Although sometimes PressTV comes close to anti-Semitism, I really hesitate to use that word for the reasons I mentioned in the group. And, besides, I really feel that using the term "anti-Semitism" is a form of CULTURAL IMPERIALISM because ARABS ARE SEMITES, TOO, and for Jews to appropriate that term only for themselves is a form of JEWISH racism. But, back to the points you raise. As I said to the group, when I posted that article, I hadn't found anything else that expressed what I was thinking about ARGO, which is that it (1) is racist against Iranians, and (2) is war propaganda. I feel that my caveat at the beginning was meant sincerely, and I really resent that the two trolls that flamed me about it totally ignored it. They did so because they wanted to paint me as another crazy Muslim, or something of that nature (witness the reference to the bogus PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION). People can make problems if they want to cause a problem, or they can see the good in something if they have good intentions. If they had wanted to see the good side, they would also have read the second post I sent, with the two articles about Obama/Netanyahu and the "former insiders," who seem very knowledgeable. Also, I have to take issue with you about your characterization of VETERANS TODAY, which I have found to be anything BUT "right wing." In fact, I have found it to be MORE progressive than a lot of supposedly leftist sources. Bob Nichols posts there all the time. As far as the exact relationship between Israel and the US, i.e. who is the boss, that is really a tricky question, and we could go on all day about that. In some ways, you may be right that Israel is the Junior Partner, but I think there is so much Zionist influence on the US government that it is not clear at all who is leading whom. You may be right about the US working with Iran. It may be that this whole business of "ginning up" a war with Iran is just more of the same stuff we've heard for years, but I am really a little afraid this time. The economy is going down the tubes, and a real honest-to-goodness war may be just the thing to keep Obama and the economy from falling off the cliff. Anyway, I do appreciate your comments. Best, Romi --- In [email protected], Cort Greene <cort.greene@...> wrote: > > Romi > > I think people are having a hard time with your source, it being Iranian > PressTV which is *notorious* for its conspiracy theories against Jewish > people ( such as Hollywood being a Zionist mouthpiece) and also like > the *Voltaire > Network* with *erroneous reporting and giving cover to right wing groupings > such as **Veterans **Today( the writer of the article is a Truthier and > writes for VT) and the National Front.* > * > * > *Also Israel is a junior partner to US imperialism not the other war > around. Economically they would go down the tubes without US aid and > support. The US works with Iran on many fronts such as the Iraq government > and Iran's proxy in Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance. * > * > * > *Cort* > > > > http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/document-friday-the-cias-inside-history-of-argo/ > > > The CIA's Inside History of ARGO. > FEBRUARY 25, 2013 > tags: argo <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/tag/argo/>, > carter<http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/tag/carter/> > , CIA <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/tag/cia/>, eagle > claw<http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/tag/eagle-claw/> > , Iran <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/tag/iran/>, > mendez<http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/tag/mendez/> > by Nate Jones <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/author/natebjones/> > > *Also > Posted<http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/10/18/the_true_spy_story_behind_argo?page=0,1> > at > ForeignPolicy.com* > <http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/argo2.jpg> > > Tax dollars at work. > > In the final scenes of the "nail-biting political > thriller<http://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/movies/argo,1215808/critic-review.html> > " *Argo * the true story of how the CIA safely whisked six U.S. Embassy > staffers out of Iran during the 1979 hostage crisis a group of Americans > disguised as a film crew safely survives three passport checks, the > canceling and uncanceling of plane tickets, and a runway car chase by the > Revolutionary Guard. But according to the insider > account<http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/argo.pdf> > published > in 1999 by the CIA's in-house journal, *Studies in Intelligence*, the > actual exit was much less dramatic. The Iranian customs official stamping > passports at Tehran's Mehrabad International Airport "could not have cared > less" when he stamped the fake passports and exit visas of "six Canadians, > a European, and a Latin American" as they snuck out of the country and onto > Swissair Flight SR 363. > > Notwithstanding this "easy exit," the > account<https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art1.html> > written > by CIA agent Antonio J. Mendez who is played by Ben Affleck in the film > still reads like le Carré <http://www.johnlecarre.com/>. Mendez and his > team began by looking for "black" smuggling routes out of Iran, even > studying billionaire Ross Perot's successful exfiltration of two of his > employees from Iran the year before. But Mendez concluded that "using > paramilitary means" to rescue the hostages "seemed impossible." (A year > later, the Operation Eagle Claw > fiasco<http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/document-friday-operation-eagle-claw-good-thing-operation-geronimo-turned-out-differently/> > proved > him correct.) As such, the CIA's Directorate of Operations decided to > smuggle the employees "in plain sight." > <http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/argo4.jpg> > > The CIA Goes Hollywood, Indeed. > > But Langley was not immediately sold on the "film production" cover; > initially it tossed around disguises such as "food economists" or > "unemployed school teachers." No matter the cover, the Americans needed the > help of Canadians. The Canadians agreed to provide six passports for the > embassy staff for "humanitarian purposes" but refused to allow the two CIA > escorts Canadian documentation. They did, however, smuggle the CIA's > documents and disguises to Tehran in a diplomatic pouch "the size of a > pillowcase." > <http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/argo1.jpg> > > Artifacts published with the CIA account. > > According to the CIA's account, "The Mafia and many shady foreign investors > were notorious for backing productions in Hollywood," so it was the perfect > spot for the CIA to operate. The team opened Studio Six Productions and set > up shop in offices previously used by Michael Douglas during production of > *The > China Syndrome*. Picking a script was a bit tricky. They decided, "We > needed a script with `sci-fi', Middle Eastern, and mythological elements. > Something about the glory of Islam would be nice, too." The crew found one > that would work at the bottom of the pile; it was based on "an > award-winning sci-fi novel" (Roger Zelazny's*Lord of > Light*<http://boingboing.net/2012/10/16/how-roger-zelaznys-lord-of-l.html>). > They drew up some logos and posters and bought full-page ads in *Variety* and > the*Hollywood Reporter*. The origin of the title *Argo* stemmed from "a > profane `knock-knock' joke": Argo who? Argo fuck yourself. > > Despite the eventual successful rescue from Tehran, the operation did not > go off without hitches. The Canadians discovered that one of the CIA's > forged Iranian visas had been mistakenly issued in the future its forger > had "misinterpreted the Farsi calendar." Relations with the Canadian > government were also strained at times; Mendez recounts that some Canadian > forgeries "terribly outclassed" those made by the Americans. The CIA's maps > also showed the incorrect location of the Canadian Embassy, where the > agents were supposed to meet their Canadian contacts. After arriving at > what was actually the Swiss Embassy, the two CIA agents had to act like > lost tourists, asking Iranians on the street for directions. (I wonder > whether the same company made maps of > Belgrade<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fworld%2F1999%2Foct%2F17%2Fbalkans&ei=buh-UNbFMZHo8gSM6IGABA&usg=AFQjCNFR1EES5miNFRFkJ4nmC6bfCTf38g&sig2=weKAn2Qtq6eEBRoPLPdYWQ>.) > The final error occurred in the pre-dawn hours the day of the escape. > Mendez awoke at 3 a.m. to a phone call; his alarm was set to wake him at > 2:15 a.m. He had overslept. > <http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/argo3.jpg> > > Mendez meets Carter. > > The eight (the other CIA agent was omitted from the film) then traveled to > Mehrabad International Airport in Canadian Embassy transportation (the > embassy had even composed a fake cable explaining that it had advised the > movie crew to film elsewhere). The refugees dressed with Hollywood flair > and sauntered through the airport, each having been drilled on the dates > and details of their "legend." One wore a "`mod' blow dry tight trousers > with no pockets and a blue silk shirt unbuttoned down the front with his > chest hair cradling a gold chain and medallion his topcoat resting across > his shoulders like a cape." The disguises worked to a T. After their fake > visas and passports were stamped by the Iranian customs agents, the eight > boarded their plane, which took off after a brief mechanical delay. To be > safe, they waited until they were out of Iranian airspace to order bloody > marys. > > One "ironic coda" from the CIA account: "By the time Studio Six folded > several weeks after the rescue, we had received 26 scripts. One was from > Steven Spielberg." > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:49 PM, bluesapphire48 <bluesapphire48@...>wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Two people who have contributed little or nothing to discussion on this > > list over the list have seen fit to use ad hominem attacks, bad language > > and now you pretend to speak for others. Who? > > > > In any case, I have blocked both flamers from my private email box. This > > is not how intelligent discussion among adults is carried out. The State of > > Israel has been castigated many times for its brutal attacks on > > Palestinians, its land-theft and other crimes against humanity, which have > > been pointed out by many people in this group. Where is YOUR supporting > > evidence? When I posted that article from PressTV, which was the only > > source that I knew of at the time that criticized the racist propaganda > > film ARGO, I prefaced it with a caveat that while it APPEARED to be > > anti-Semitic, it is not. Iranians and Middle Easterners in general often > > say "Jew" when the mean "Zionist Jew," but anyone who knows the history of > > Jewish-Muslim relations knows that the House of Islam has always been much > > more tolerant of Judaism than Christianity. > > > > I stand by the assertion that Israel drives US foreign policy, as is clear > > from the article about Obama and Netanyahu, and that ARGO is propaganda to > > prepare the American public for a war with Iran. I think you have a lot of > > learning to do about the Middle East before either you, Gary or any of your > > mythical supporters can come up any serious articles that dispute this. > > > > I dare you to try. > > > > Hajja Romi > > > > --- In [email protected], steve zrucky wrote: > > > > > > Gary Gordon's critique is the same as MANY OF US who read that racist > > rant. Thanks Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "gordon.gary2@" > > > To: 'Romi Elnagar' ; 'LAAMN' [email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:22 PM > > > Subject: RE: [LAAMN] Oscar for ARGO: A crime against humanity > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > How nice for Romi to elevate herself as a person of honor and therefore > > > claim a shield for herself as she merely forwards a piece that could have > > > come straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Follow the > > > so-called logic of the piece: Affleck is Riefenstahl. "Hollywood is a > > > virtually 100% Jewish enclave". Apparently the Zionist-Hollywood-Obama > > > conspiracy conspired to shaft Zero Dark Thirty from the awards and slap > > > Spielberg (or was he part of the conspiracy, purposely making film about > > > rectifying a gross inhumane element of the U.S. Constitution that he knew > > > would not win and agreeing in a backroom at some deli as they all ate > > matzoh > > > ball soup that Affleck should win?). > > > > > > The writer she forwards, Kevin Barrett, declares without any sense of the > > > preposterous that Argo is a propaganda film "designed to open the door to > > > war on Iran". Yeah, when I went everyone was so whipped up in > > nationalistic > > > fervor they all soaped their cars with Bomb Iran-it's just nonsense. > > > Barrett is using a fairly ordinary heist/rescue movie to forward his own > > > thinking about U.S.- Iran relations and his hostility toward Jews (using > > a > > > tired but workable tactic of equating Jews to Nazis). > > > > > > "The makers of Argo deserve. criminal conviction for crimes against > > > humanity. Instead, Hollywood's Zionist mafia." > > > > > > If you can't see the Crap in that line of pathetic, hate-filled, > > delusional > > > thinking-but then, I know you can't. You, Romi, have elevated yourself, > > > have declared yourself an honorable person who doesn't hate Jews and > > you're > > > merely forwarding this nonsense. > > > > > > It must be wonderful to live in the world Barrett lives in, where > > rhetorical > > > charges to a susceptible audience is all that's necessary, no evidence > > > required. > > > > > > It is propaganda because I say so. It is designed to start a war because > > I > > > say so. Jews run Hollywood for Israel because I say so. > > > > > > Barrett even goes so far as to quote a joke by comedian (get it, > > comedian-he > > > makes jokes) Bill Maher as if it's a serious straightforward factual > > > comment-replace the word admitted with the word joked and you get a > > better > > > picture. > > > > > > The leaps in logic continue with Barrett's time-travel reporting: "I > > watched > > > Argo on the plane en route to > > > Iran , where I recently spent > > > two weeks. The film depicts Iranians as scowling, bearded fanatics > > > lusting for American blood. When I arrived in Tehran, I was surprised - > > > well, not really that surprised - to discover that Iranians are > > > friendly, gracious, smiling, generous people who absolutely love > > > Americans." > > > > > > Let's see, he watches a new movie in 2013 on a plane in 2013 about > > something > > > that happened n 1979 and he's surprised to find that what was depicted in > > > 1979 is not happening in 2013. It's fucking amazing! How did that happen? > > > 1979 is not 2013? Incredible! It must be a Jewish conspiracy. They're > > > very good at numbers, you know. > > > > > > And actually, the film depicts revolutionaries and a collateral mob > > storming > > > the embassy. I didn't really see anyone "lusting for American > > blood"-perhaps > > > Barrett's confused Argo with a vampire or zombie movie. As a matter of > > > fact, I didn't see any "bearded fanatics", just angry people-many > > rightfully > > > angry at the U.S. government. But the hyperbole is important to Barrett's > > > whole argument. Without the hyperbole, the hideous rhetoric, the absence > > of > > > logic, the entirely overblown comparison of Affleck to Riefenstahl, why, > > he > > > wouldn't have an argument. > > > > > > This article is thoughtless, useless. I'll amend my earlier comment: it > > > doesn't even rise to the level of Crap. And it's a shame it was on this > > > listserve. > > > > > > Not the first time something stupid came from the otherwise necessary > > Left. > > > > > > Oh well. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: mailto:laamn%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:laamn% > > 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Romi > > > Elnagar > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:41 AM > > > To: LAAMN > > > Subject: Fw: [LAAMN] Oscar for ARGO: A crime against humanity > > > > > > I received this message offlist in response to my post. > > > > > > It is not a logical argument IMHO, but may represent what is in the head > > of > > > the person who sent it to me, and who is now blocked from my private > > email > > > address. > > > > > > While there are good and logical arguments to be made against this > > article, > > > other people have also agreed with me as far as ARGO being CIA > > propaganda, > > > which was my point, and which I have seen expressed elsewhere. Also, if > > > anyone cared to read the article thoroughly, it is clear the writer had > > some > > > personal experience in Tehran. > > > > > > Best, > > > Romi > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > > From: "mailto:gordon.gary2%40gmail.com " > > > mailto:gordon.gary2%40gmail.com > > > > To: 'Romi Elnagar' mailto:bluesapphire48%40yahoo.com > > > >; 'undisclosed recipients:@yahoo.com > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM > > > Subject: RE: [LAAMN] Oscar for ARGO: A crime against humanity > > > > > > Crap. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From:mailto:laamn%40yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:mailto:laamn%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf > > > Of Romi Elnagar > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 > > > 3:45 PM > > > To: undisclosed recipients: > > > Subject: [LAAMN] Oscar for ARGO: A > > > crime against humanity > > > > > > > > > NOTE: While the following article MAY appear to > > > be anti-Semitic in nature, anyone who knows the record of tolerance of > > the > > > Islamic Republic of Iran towards its own Jewish citizens can see that the > > > seeming racial hostility in this article is in fact clearly directed > > towards > > > supporters of the Zionist state if Israel, which practices genocide > > against > > > Arabs every day. If I thought it represented hostility toward all Jews, > > > including the enlightened ones who decry Israeli racism, I would > > certainly > > > not > > > forward it to you, but when I read it, I felt it expressed exactly and > > > eloquently my own reaction to ARGO, which is that it is propaganda > > designed > > > to > > > incite Islamophobia and war against Iran . > > > > > > In Peace, > > > Hajja Romi, "Blue" > > > > > > Oscar for Argo: A crime against humanity > > > Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:22PM GMT > > > 5 > > > > > > By Dr. Kevin Barrett > > > > > > The only award the makers of Argo deserve is a criminal conviction for > > > crimes against humanity. Instead, Hollywood 's > > > Zionist mafia has handed > > > them an Oscar for best film of the year. The members of the academy > > > should themselves be in the docket, facing war crimes charges, right > > > alongside Ben Affleck." > > > Argo is a propaganda film. Like the films of Nazi publicist Leni > > > Riefenstahl, it is well-made. Like those of Riefenstahl, it glorifies a > > > murderous criminal organization. And like those of Riefenstahl, its > > > ultimate purpose is to elicit hatred and turn its audience into mass > > > murderers. > > > > > > Riefenstahl glorified the Nazi party; Argo glorifies the CIA. > > > Riefenstahl made Nazi war-mongering and Jew-hatred look beautiful; Argo > > > makes Zionist-incited islamophobia and iranophobia look natural and > > > inevitable and desirable. > > > > > > Riefenstahl's films helped open the door to World War II, which killed 70 > > > million people. > > > > > > Argo is designed to open the door to war on > > > Iran and World War III, which could > > > kill hundreds of millions or even billions. > > > > > > The only award the makers of Argo deserve is a criminal conviction > > > for crimes against humanity. Instead, Hollywood 's > > > Zionist mafia has > > > handed them an Oscar for best film of the year. The members of the > > > academy should themselves be in the docket, facing war crimes charges, > > > right alongside Ben Affleck. > > > > > > But Affleck and the Hollywood mob aren't just > > > guilty of war crimes. > > > They are equally guilty of treason against the > > > United States of America . > > > > > > Hollywood , you > > > see, is a virtually 100% Jewish enclave. > > > And with a few noble exceptions, the Jewish billionaires who own and run > > > Hollywood , and determine what kinds of motion pictures > > > dominate the > > > world, are rabid supporters of Israel 's > > > genocide in Occupied Palestine. > > > Their films should be considered "enemy propaganda" - not just by > > > Palestinians and their supporters, but by the American people. > > > Why? Because war on Iran > > > - as Zbigniew Brzezinski and Chuck Hagel > > > and all genuinely American strategists have been screaming from the > > > rooftops - is an Israeli plan, not an American plan. > > > > > > The Israelis want to drag America > > > into wars against their enemies. And Iran > > > is Israel 's > > > public enemy number one. > > > > > > Israel 's real problem with > > > Iran isn't > > > those nonexistent nukes. (Both > > > the CIA and Mossad have assured us that > > > Iran is not building nuclear > > > weapons.) Israel 's problem > > > is that Iran 's > > > government offers formidable > > > ideological and material support to the Palestinian resistance. > > > > > > Why is that America 's > > > problem? > > > > > > Because America > > > is dominated by a powerful, treasonous Israeli fifth > > > column. As Jewish, pro-Zionist comedian Bill Maher recently admitted, > > > "The Israelis are controlling our government." > > > > > > Argo is enemy propaganda from Israeli-occupied > > > Hollywood . It is a > > > slick attempt to brainwash Americans into seeing Iranians as enemies. > > > Argo seeks to drag the American consciousness back to 1979, when > > > Iranians overthrew their CIA-installed torturer-in-chief, the Shah, and > > > sought justice for his decades of misrule. It seeks to hide the fact > > > that today, America and > > > Iran should > > > have good relations - and would have > > > good relations, if Israel > > > weren't running US > > > foreign policy. > > > > > > I watched Argo on the plane en route to > > > Iran , where I recently spent > > > two weeks. The film depicts Iranians as scowling, bearded fanatics > > > lusting for American blood. When I arrived in Tehran, I was surprised - > > > well, not really that surprised - to discover that Iranians are > > > friendly, gracious, smiling, generous people who absolutely love > > > Americans. (They have no difficulty making the distinction between the > > > American people, and the policies of the Israeli-dominated American > > > government.) > > > > > > After being held hostage to their kindness, hospitality, and > > > generosity for fourteen days, all I can say is that I hope they kidnap > > > me again soon. > > > > > > Most Americans, unfortunately, do not have the opportunity to visit > > > Iran . > > > > > > If you put Mr. Average American on a plane for > > > Tehran , and showed > > > him Argo as the in-flight movie, he would probably have a panic attack > > > and try to kick open the emergency exit door and bail out of the plane. > > > That, of course, is precisely the kind of reaction the Hollywood > > > Zionists created Argo to elicit. > > > > > > In some ways, Argo is almost like a zombie horror movie, with > > > Americans as protagonists, and Iranians as evil flesh-eating zombies. > > > When, in Argo, the small group of Americans visits Tehran's magnificent > > > Grand Bazaar, only to be surrounded, mobbed, and threatened by vicious > > > Iranian extremists hungering for their flesh and thirsting for their > > > blood, I was reminded of nothing so much as the > > > zombies-in-the-shopping-mall scenes from George Romero's horror classic, > > > Dawn of the Dead. > > > > > > When I visited a bazaar in Tehran > > > earlier this month, I had a > > > wonderful time. The scene was lively and colorful. The throngs of > > > shoppers were enjoying themselves. The sellers were courteous and fun to > > > haggle with. Maybe they were hungering for my dollars and thirsting for > > > my coins, but if so, they were reasonably polite about it. I did not > > > experience any zombie attacks. > > > > > > Argo depicts Iran > > > as a living hell for Americans. But for me and the > > > other Americans I visited with, it was more like a paradise. > > > > > > Americans can live well in Iran > > > on very little money. The Iranian > > > rial's value has dropped in relation to the dollar, thanks to the > > > Zionist banksters' currency war. A can of Coca-Cola or a candy bar costs > > > a nickle, a gourmet meal can be had for a few dollars, and all sorts of > > > Iranian-made items are available at bargain prices. (Iranians are > > > getting very good at making all kinds of products, since the sanctions > > > have made imports prohibitively expensive.) > > > > > > But the best thing about Iran > > > is its people. There are > > > no false guides and scammers accosting you, as in some Middle Eastern > > > countries. Iran 's > > > people, regardless of philosophical, political, or > > > religious persuasion, are both dignified and genuinely friendly. They > > > have overcome the colonialist-imposed schizoid complex of > > > servility/resentment. Iranians deal with Westerners, including > > > Americans, naturally and amiably as equals. > > > When will the American government start treating > > > Iran on a similar basis of natural > > > amiability and equality? > > > > > > The short answer: As soon as Americans take a lead from Bill Maher, and > > > shake > > > off Israel 's > > > domination of their country. > > > > > > When that happens, the makers of Argo, and the other Israeli > > > occupiers of America 's media > > > and entertainment industry, may have to > > > seek refuge in Paraguay . > > > > > > > > http://presstv.com/detail/2013/02/25/290795/oscar-for-argo-a-crime-against-h > > > umanity/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *A means can be justified only by its end. But the end in its turn needs to > be justified. > > (Also quoted as "The end may justify the means as long as there is > something that justifies the end.") > > Leon Trotsky > > Their Morals and Ours (1938)* > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAAMN: Los Angeles Alternative Media Network --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digest: <mailto:[email protected]> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=laamn> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post: <mailto:[email protected]> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive1: <http://www.egroups.com/messages/laamn> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive2: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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