On 3 January 2014 00:04, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2 January 2014 19:32, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > This proposal is identical to the one issued before christmas, but
> > based on a suggestion now formulated as a formal VOTE.
> >
> > This change in the bylaws [2] requires 2/3 vote +1 of the PMC members.
> >
> > VOTE runs until 19 January 2014.
> >
> > Vote +1 if you agree to to following change of bylaws:
> >
> >
> > - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The lab creation
> > requires PMC lazy concensus, if no PMC sends a mail with -1 to
> > l...@apache.org within the lazy consensus period, the lab request is
> > accepted.
>
> The voting period is not stated; I think it probably should be specified.
>
> How about:
>
> Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs.
> The creation of the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote (no -1
> votes, 72 hours).
>
+1 (non binding).

>
> > from
> >  - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of
> >    the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote
> >    (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours).
> >
> >
> > Reasoning:
> >
> > The charter [1] and homepage [2] for labs says:
> >
> >  - Every ASF committer can ask for one or more labs. The creation of
> >    the lab requires a PMC lazy consensus vote
> >    (at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours).
>
> BTW, I've just realised that merely dropping the word "lazy" would
> have resolved the ambiguity.
> However, IMO full consensus approval is too strong a requirement.
>
> +1 (non-binding) provided the voting period is defined.
>
> > However the foundations glossary [3] defines lazy consensus today as:
> >
> > *Lazy consensus*(Also called 'lazy approval'.) A decision-making policy
> > which assumes general consent if no responses are posted within a defined
> > period. For example, "I'm going to commit this by lazy consensus if
> no-one
> > objects within the next three days." Also see Consensus
> > Approval<
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval>,
> > Majority
> > Approval <
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#MajorityApproval>,
> > and the description of the voting
> > process <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>.
> >
> >
> > rgds
> >
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2006/board_minutes_2006_11_15.txt
> >
> >
> > [2] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
> > [3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html
>
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