On 20 January 2014 15:50, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20 January 2014 13:32, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > If you read "How it works", Labs makes the following available:
> >
> >    - a zone
> >    - a virtual host (http://labs.apache.org/)
> >    - three mailing lists:
> >       - labs@labs.apache.org
> >       - comm...@labs.apache.org (this receives the svn commits diffs)
> >       - priv...@labs.apache.org
> >    - a lab registry (a collection of machine-readable descriptors)
> >
> > As far as I can see.
> >
> > - there are no zone
> >
> > - there are not virtual host
>
> Huh?
>
> http://labs.apache.org/ does exist.
>

virtual host is an often used name for a vm, just as it can mean vhost.

Fact is we have a home page (have not controlled if its a vhost or just a
httpd redirect, since it does not matter), sorry for choosing confusing
words.


>
> > - the lab registry is merely a directory in svn
> >
>
> What's wrong with that?
> All the directories should contain doap.rdf files which are machine
> readable.
>

Nothing, I just want to use it more actively. The "browse labs" page is not
in sync with the doap.rtf files, and why maintain the same information in 2
places. However this issue relates more to the proposal about changing
homepage.

>
> > I hereby propose the following:
> >
> >
> > 1) We remove the mention of zone from the home page
> >
> > 2) We request a labs vm from infra (if the PMC request it with a jira, I
> > can make it)
>
> It looks like options 1 & 2 are alternatives, whereas 3 is independent
> - or have I got that wrong?
>

its not alternatives,

1) is there to bring the home page in accordance with real life.

2) is a request for a vm not a zone. This will of course also lead to
homepage changes.


> > 3) We change the homepage to actively use the lab registry (see seperate
> > proposal).
> >
> >
> > --- details ---
> >
> > The vm should be equipped with a generic db and httpd and of course svn
> > allowing labs PI to test their ideas. Labs PI and registred committers
> > should have access to the vm (NOT sudo). It might be that no labs need it
> > today, but its marketing, we offer more than other sandboxes.
>
> Most TLPs don't have zones.
>

A lot of projects have vms. Take a look at the machines.a.o then you see a
lot (infrastructure/trunk/circonus/vms.py is more complete).

We have 65 vms, 27 zones and 43 hosts. Of course not all are allocated to
one project. I think "a lot of" is a fair statement.

but this is not about "who has", its about what we LABS offer committers.
Alone for building it would be interesting, and e.g. testing web based labs.

rgds
jan I

>
> > I volunteer to maintain the vm (together with all the others I maintain
> as
> > part of infra) and also to help labs in need of installing sw.
> >
> > Rgds
> >
> > jan I.
>
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