> >!!!!!
> >This is really horrible! I always thought this sort of thing was over
> >earlier than the 60's... Tamara, was it like this in Poland too?
>
> Nope, and I doubt it had been like this in Poland even in 1860's... :)
I thought so. Good...
> And the post WWII communist rule only strengthened the trend:
> women had to work, same as men did (the salaries were calulated on the
> basis of *two* people supporting one family), so were less likely to
> go, willingly, through the pretense of "you are more important than I
> am".
Yep. Even though I think communism is completely wrong as a political
system, after coming to the US I realized that it did do a couple of
good things for Poland.
> I'd estimate that 98% of all the sex
> education I received (school, friends, books, parents) was couched
> either in strictly biology textbook terms, or those from the gutter;
> the first were too boring, the second too embarassing. But there was
> nothing in between, no "every day" language to bridge the gap, until I
> learnt enough English...
True, there doesn't seem to be, although I always thought that was just
because I've never dealt with sex in Polish.
As for sexual education, there was an additional element in my
childhood: in I think 6th or 7th grade we had one hour of class with a
Catholic "sexual educator". It started and ended with a prayer, and
mostly consisted of giving reasons for never having sex outside of
marriage - including great ideas like "if you have sex with different
men, you will become allergic to sperm and won't be able to have sex"
(of course the idea of using condoms wasn't even mentioned, since the
Caltholic Church doesn't allow them, for no reason that I ever managed
to understand).
> I also have some doubts about the text having been written by a woman;
> sounds to me more like something concocted by a man in a wet dream.
I don't know. If no women believed in this sort of thing enough to
write it, they wouldn't do it either, and it seems that at least a
decent percentage of them did, or else the social order wouldn't work
the way it did... I doubt you could force half the human population to
act inferior if they didn't believe it was right.
> As early as The Forsyth Saga, when Soames "insisted" on his
> marital rights, the book manipulated one's sympathies towards his wife,
> who resisted...
I don't know what the Forsyth Saga is... When was it out?
> I'd love to be able to lay my hands on a big book of early Ann Landers
> responses; by the time I got here ('73) she was very level-headed and,
> while she preached compromise, she preached it to *both* sexes
> (something I entirely agree with)
I don't know anything about Ann Landers either. In the US I get in lots
of conversations I'm completely lost in... Tamara, does this ever go
away?
Weronika
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