on 5/19/04 12:30 AM, Tamara P. Duvall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On May 18, 2004, at 23:18, Karolina Jeffers (do we have another Pole > here? <g>) wrote: > >> I had a look at Rosemary's web site and her new book. The flowers >> remind me >> of Jana Novak's book "Fri Knipling" particularly the "Five petals" and >> "Hearflower" - these are not even adaptations. Rosemary's other >> flowers >> closely resemble Jana Novak's flowers and I would say are adaptations. >> We >> had a great debate what an adaptation is and came up with a guideline >> for >> lacemakers - in bobbin lace an acceptable adaptation requires a >> "significant" alteration to the design. Whilst many people respect the >> original designers sadly some people don't. I think that we have to >> be fair >> to people who come up with great ideas originally. If we wish to >> change or >> adapt the pattern we should acknowledge the original designer ie - >> adapted >> by .......from the original design by ........ > > I agree 100% (being a bit of a designer myself). But I'm also aware > that there's another factor... > > Some people seem to design the exactly same thing, at almost exactly > the same time, for all they're continents apart... Serendipity (though > Deborah Robinson, the Editor of "Lace", had a better term for it. If > only I could remember in which issue, or what the term was... <g> > Something to do with the pool of underlying pool of human knowledge...) > We all tend to re-invent, unwittingly, the wheel once in a while, > especially if we practice our lacemaking in -- more-or-less -- > isolation... As is common in very large countries, and/or where people > make lace for pleasure not for profit. > > So, maybe, that's what's happened here too, and it's a case of "not > proven" rather than "guilty"... :) I don't design in Torchon (where > un-intentional duplication is almost inevitable) but, even so, with > every pattern I send out for publication, I agonize: *has* someone else > come up with something, so very similiar as to make my own pattern a > "plagiarism", *before* I had? I don't own all the lacemaking > books/magazines which had been published over the many years (and, even > if I had, I might forget I'd seen something similiar before)... > >> Rosemary does the "Fantasy Flowers" workshops. I attended one and was >> surprised than how closely the flowers resembled Jana's flowers. > > Did you mention it to her at the time? What did she say? > > I've never seen Jana Novak's book myself, so, to me, Rosemary's Fantasy > Flowers were "brand new" (and I've marked it as something I'd like to > own one day, if only to look at, "digest" and, possibly, take into > another direction)... I agree, someone publishing (a pattern, a book) > or teaching a workshop should not use another person's patterns without > an acknowledgment *and* the original designer's permission... But... > *What* if it's done without any ill-intent? > > --- > Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd > Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) > Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: > no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I do indeed agree with Tamara, great ideas can and do occur simultaneously regardless of geography. If it can happen to Newton and Leibniz, it can surely happen to Shepherd and Novak. And the more the better; we love them both. Where I have to disagree with Tamara is about the Bush/Cheney/Carbs thing. It is very cute, as Tamara herself often is, and it's very provocative too, but to my mind, utterly inappropriate to the Lace List. If lacemakers feel impelled to talk politics with other lacemakers, maybe Lace-chat is the place. Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
