Alice has given a fairly comprehensive answer to Vickie's questions, the only things I would add are that the decision as to whether to tie or not when throwing out in cloth stitch is governed by the density of the cloth - in Honiton, the cloth is usually dense enough to trap threads thrown out - in Beds it is iffy, in Bucks probably not dense enough (so you would carry the threads along the gimp line if possible, knot as a last resort).

I can't think why you would need to throw out threads in an area of ground - if it was an uneven shape in a modern piece then perhaps aim to work the "thrown" pairs into the lace by doubling them up with neighbouring threads and working them together for a short distance, then throwing them back - ie using two bobbins as one, and twisting the threads together well. (As you would in adding a new thread).

If it is a case of throwing out at the end of a filling, then you tie them off and unless you are happy to cut the knots close either bunch the threads off - a Honiton technique (if close enough) or darn the ends into the trail.

In message <68b3258334a34e5d9bc8b13f4f99a...@loreleihalley>, Lorelei Halley <[email protected]> writes
If the knot happens because a thread broke, then the knot is a weaver's knot
which is the only way (just about) of salvaging the lace.  I unwork a section
until I can get that knotted thread into a place where it has more friction:
again into a cloth section or the foot.

Another method when this happens is simply to hang a new thread in where the old one was, leaving a long enough starting end to darn back along the thread path when the pins are removed - the equivalent of taking the lace back and working the two threads together. If you have enough of an end (half an inch or so) to tie a new thread to, then use a different colour thread to tie to the one that is broken, long enough to wind onto a new full bobbin as a double thread, and throw the old thread out before you reach the knot - having the securing thread a different colour helps to remind you to do this!

This can get you to the end of a piece, too, without having to add a new thread in, when you find you have enough thread to finish the lace but not if it has to stay attached to the bobbin!

Even experienced lacemakers can be thrown when starting on a lace that is new to them!
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Jane Partridge

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