Lorelei said, " I think the basic problem is that there is no consistent use of language on this topic. "
I was starting to wonder if this might be the problem, thank you so much for the confirmation. Brenda replied, " Hi Kim > I am looking for some information about grid terminology as I have > received conflicting info in the past. The footside measurement seems > to be consistent to me. It is basically ½ of the squares per inch > since you are counting every second dot. No - it's twice the squares per inch (or whatever unit you are using) If you are using a graph paper with 10 squares per inch and the pinholes are on every other intersection the distance between the pinholes will be 2/10 of an inch." We are not talking about the same measurement here. I agree with what you have said about the distance between pinholes. I was referring to what I have commonly seen called "number of footside holes to the inch." The best example I can give of this is the Thread Selection Chart put out by Holly Van Sciver. If there are 10 squares per inch and the footside holes are placed every second square, there would be 5 footside holes to the inch. Thanks so much for all of the information! Kim -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Paternoster [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:42 AM To: Kim Davis Cc: 'Lace Arachne' Subject: Re: [lace] grids Hi Kim > I am looking for some information about grid terminology as I have > received > conflicting info in the past. The footside measurement seems to be > consistent to me. It is basically ½ of the squares per inch since > you are > counting every second dot. No - it's twice the squares per inch (or whatever unit you are using) If you are using a graph paper with 10 squares per inch and the pinholes are on every other intersection the distance between the pinholes will be 2/10 of an inch. > The straight measurement is what I have heard > people use differently. I have heard people refer to the diagonal > pin count > as the straight pin holes per inch count, and I have heard people > refer to > the number of dots along the straight portion (the number which > would be > double the footside number) as the straight pin holes per inch > count. You do need to clarify whether you are referring to, say, 1/10" graph paper, or to a pattern with 1/10" between footedge pinholes. Although most torchon patterns will start off on a set size of grid, often drawn over 1/10" or 2mm graph paper. it is so easy nowadays to enlarge or reduce a pattern by any amount. Also some designers will turn the graph paper through 45 degrees and use every intersection for the basic grid. That grid will have footedge pins spaced at nearly one and a half times the length of the graph paper squares - you can work it out exactly using Pythagorus's Theorum. That's why my table of thread sizes : grid sizes refers to distance between footedge pins. http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html > Before I move forward with a project I am working on I want to get > this > ironed out and would appreciate any clarifying comments. Right > now I am > just dealing with simple squares (Torchon) but welcome any advice > about > other grids before I branch out. The other sort of grid is a point ground grid with working angles of anything between about 50 degrees and 60 degrees. In the past grids were drawn using maybe 3 squares one way and 4 squares the other way and in-between pinholes added by eye, but that's "old technology" Now, it's so easy to just take a regular 45 degree torchon grid and change the proportions with a click and drag of the mouse to get any working angle you want. 45 degree working angle makes a square 54 degree working angle makes a pentagon 60 degree working angle makes a hexagon. Brenda in Allhallows [email protected] http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2410 - Release Date: 10/02/09 18:24:00 - To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [email protected]. For help, write to [email protected]
