Ack!! I am going OT all of a sudden and wishing to blazes that I had an English connection for genealogy. I have relatives that are named Casemore, descended from William and Mary Casemore who came to Canada around 1780/1785 or thereabouts. We are convinced that even though they settled in Canada and had "Canadian" citizenship, they probably arrived on a ship that came into NY since there is a record of a Casemore being born in NY, around the time that the eldest son was supposedly born. Legend has both son's born near Toronto (and only one actual birth record of a Casemore being born from that couple in Ontario) They had 2 sons. All Casemore's in North America (Canada and the US) are supposed to be descended from that one couple. Problem I have is trying to find out " who they were related to in England. They were disowned by the wife's family (she was higher in social status than he was) He was their coachman. Her maiden name, handed down word of mouth was Rider or Ryder. The story of how the blue blooded (probably not...but possibly landed gentry or gentleman farmer?) Mary fell in love and eloped with the coachman against daddy's wishes, is a favourite story in all the Casemore families. (someone even published an Article which was genealogical in nature that told the story of the Casemore's. The handme down story in our immediate family (my great grandfather was a Casemore) was that She was named Casemore or Castlemore and he was named Ryder or Rider and they took her name since it was more "genteel". I wish I could find a "marriage record for William Casemore and Mary Ryder/Rider, which would have occurred in England. I am sure that the trip to Canada was due to them being turned away by her family after they eloped. I am glad that I got a copy of the publication from the Toronto paper. Anyone also know "why" someone going to Ontario Canada from England in the latter 1700's would go into an American port? Is the fact that they "eloped" and were married outside of "tradition", going to make it next to impossible to trace the ancestry? Would Mary's family have destroyed any record of her being part of their family? I don't know how "scandals" and being "disowned" in the late 1700s in England were handled!!! I have found lots of Casemore's in England...especially in the the lacemaking areas of England. I am wondering if I could have actually be descended from a lacemaker. (Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire both seem to have records of Casemore's marrying and being born.) None of the records I have seen are "our" William Casemore and Mary...so far anyway. I am hampered by ancestor.com not having that much available about English people that goes that far back...and would have gone back 16 to 25 years further back to record births. Also not knowing the name of the ship they sailed and from where they sailed from is another hampering factor. England doesn't seem like that big of a place...it is no larger than the State of Minnesota I live in, but obviously you still have a MAJOR area to search since the church kept most records those days. I do know they were "Church of England".
Frustrated in America Cearbhael -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Malvary J Cole Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:46 AM To: Brian Lemin; Lace Subject: Re: [lace] "HIDE" Bobbin I had a quick look in Ancestry - there are several women with Hide as their middle name but most of the use of Hide as a first name are men. I then looked at those who were married to a husband named Hide, but couldn't see any of them who were lacemakers. I doubt that the women with middle name Hide would have a bobbin with that name on with no sign of their first name. It could well be the letters for a secret message: Happy I...... Dearest Emily (couldn't think of an "I" word); or perhaps the initials of their 4 children: Henry, Irene, David, Elizabeth Malvary in Ottawa where we have managed, so far, to miss all the big snow dumps that have happened all around. - To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [email protected]. For help, write to [email protected] - To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [email protected]. For help, write to [email protected]
