Dear Devon,  In defense of Jill Nordfors, her first book, dated 1974, was at a time when there was very little available in America about the stitches she used in her work.  Her second book under family names of Nordfors Clark was dated 1999.  Both were primarily marketed to embroiderers, not to lace makers.  Accordingly, I had them shelved with embroidery books before 2000!  Further, I think the color photos of laces on the book covers were very startling at time of publication, especially to those who ordered books by mail.  They provide more than pure needle lace for reasons I remember (below).  1974 - Needle Lace & Needleweaving - A New Look at Traditional Stitches  1999 - Needle Lace - Techniques & Inspiration  Difficulty accepting what Jill explained in her first book is because it was unusual at the time to try new ideas and materials, to play and to experiment.  The Embroiderers Guild of America had determined that whenever possible a long list of stitches should be taught in each class at their annual Seminars.  I was very much a part of the embroidery community at the time.  EGA was interested in pushing embroiderers toward developing original designs, and if I remember correctly, it was because of the direction embroiderers in the United Kingdom took when they started the City & Guilds educational program mentioned a few days ago.  Jeri Ames in Maine USA  (EGA member for 50 years) Lace and Embroidery Resource Center ----------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 4/4/2018 8:18:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, devonth...@gmail.com writes: I am surprised to see in her 1974 book that she has a lot of stitches such as chain stitch, coral stitch, stem stitch, Cretan stitch, Ceylon stitch and various knotted stitches in her work...she has a stitch called Venetian-point stitch which is a knotted stitch and does not resemble what I perceive to be the stitches in Venetian lace. She also relies heavily on needle weaving, both on straight ���warp��� threads as she calls them and on radial ones....the book deals with doing detached embroidery as part of surface embroidery.  Devon
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