Hoi,
There are several parts to this. There is the technical part of it. There
is the principle behind my stance.
When you look at a page in the asl incubator [1] it is full of English and
we do want a complete UI in ASL. I have no clue how an ASL UI should look
and we will never figure it out without an environment that is completely
top down. The notion that I should comment on Phabricator is something I
reject. It is not an environment that I frequent. It has everything to do
with the fact that it did not work well for me in the past.
The second part is that it has been argued before that we should be more
forthcoming in enabling new projects. This project has two arguments going
for it. The technical one and the fact that an organisation supports it and
will not abandon it. Yair and Steve are of that organisation and community.
I have argued before that when a credible organisation supports a language,
an organisation that has no POV as far as content is concerned, we can be
more forthcoming.
When Milos argues that my position was rather strong on something in the
past, he does not provide an argument that is relevant to this case. I
therefore ignore it.
I do have sufficient experience in computing to know that it is not trivial
to solve all the technical issues. I am disappointed in the use of the
flexibility that we have in our policy and at some stage I have to decide
how to spend my time. When it is proven to me yet again how inflexible we
are I fail to see a benefit of my involvement.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x474S1f720490x497S11a20495x516_M511x551S18620493x450S1f720489x483S11a20494x502S20320494x536
On 31 May 2016 at 19:36, Amir E. Aharoni <[email protected]>
wrote:
> There are several things that I fail to understand despite repeated
> discussions about this topic:
> * What are the particular technical issues that cannot be resolved in the
> Incubator? The best place to file this is Phabricator. Can they be filed
> there?
> * Is there a clear migration path from the current way of storing the text
> to true Unicode?
> * How does the input work?
>
> My impression with Yair and other volunteers working on this skin has been
> very positive till now. I don't doubt their programming skill and their
> commitment to the project. I'm not just being polite—this actually is my
> impression. Nonetheless, I need a clear explanation about the reasons why
> we should bypass the usual confirmation of incubator activity. Getting
> *direct* and *detailed* answers to the questions above from the people who
> do the technical work on them will help move things forward. I'm sorry, but
> Gerard's statement that "it is the only way that we will get the technical
> aspects of MediaWiki right" is a generalization, and it is neither direct
> nor detailed.
>
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>
> 2016-05-31 0:18 GMT-07:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hoi,
>>
>> The language policy allows us to be flexible with how we interpret the
>> rules. My experience is that we are not using this flexibility. I made
>> several proposals over te last few years and they have all been torpedoed.
>>
>> ASL is the latest example of this. It makes sense to allow for one
>> Wikipedia with SignWriting because it is the only way that we will get the
>> technical aspects of MediaWiki right. It means that issues will be exposed
>> in Commons and Wikidata as well.
>>
>> This is denied for no reason that is clear to me.
>>
>> I feel that when we cannot make use of the room the policy allows us,
>> there is no purpose for me to be a member.. It is up to the rest of the
>> committee to consider this. I hope that we will have an ASL Wikipedia in
>> the near future but if that is not to be, it and the implementation of the
>> language policy is no longer my active concern.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
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