Of course, but that's precisely my question: What to add in parentheses, if anything.
I'm not saying that Langcom is supposed to force anything here. I'm just trying to ask for advice. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2017-07-02 15:36 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic <[email protected]>: > Autonym is not your/our business. Add something inside of parentheses if > it's ambiguous in some contexts, but it's autonym, not langcomnym. > > On Jul 2, 2017 14:13, "Amir E. Aharoni" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe somebody here will have an idea about this problematic issue. >> >> See this discussion: >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116761 >> >> (Click "Show older changes" to see all the comments.) >> >> Briefly, the name of the Central Kurdish language (code ckb) is currently >> shown as "کوردیی ناوەندی". If I understand correctly, this may be a correct >> translation of "Central Kurdish" into Central Kurdish, but at least some >> speakers don't like it. The people who edit the Wikipedia in question are >> asking for "کوردی", which is just "Kurdi". >> >> It does appear as the autonym in CLDR,[1] but CLDR is not necessarily a >> reliable source. >> >> The name in CLDR in some other languages is something like "Kurdi >> Sorani", and it's also mentioned in Ethnologue as one of the possible >> autonyms. Furthermore, some of the people who participate in the discussion >> at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116761 are not opposed to calling >> it "Kurdi Sorani", but others are loudly demanding only "کوردی". >> >> My own consideration for being reluctant about calling it only "کوردی" is >> that there is another Wikipedia in a Kurdish language, with the code ku. >> (Arguably, it should be changed to kmr, but that's a topic for another >> discussion.) That language's name is written as "Kurdi". Both of these >> languages can be written in the Latin and in the Arabic alphabet, although >> ku is more commonly written in Latin and ckb is more commonly written in >> Arabic. Having two languages with the same name—albeit in a different >> script—may be confusing and misleading for a reader who needs to choose. >> That's why labeling ckb as "کوردی سۆرانی" ("Kurdi Sorani") looks like >> the safest option to me, but not everybody there agrees with this. >> >> One of the most interesting comments[2] on the discussion about changing >> the name gives several examples of other websites, which use "کوردی" and >> "Kurdi" in the language selector, and says that the Latin-script name >> points to what would be "ku" in Wikipedia, and the Arabic-script name >> points to what would be "ckb". I don't know any Kurdish language, but I do >> know the Arabic alphabet, and the texts in these websites do seem different >> enough, and not just the same language in different alphabets. Furthermore, >> at least one of them tags the versions as ckb and ku using the HTML lang >> attribute. If this is indeed a practice on several other websites in these >> languages, then I _guess_ I'll be OK with doing it on Wikipedia as well, >> but I decided to try to run this by the Language committee first, just in >> case. >> >> Does any of you have an opinion about this? >> >> Thanks! >> >> [1] http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/31/by_type/locale_display >> _names.languages__a-d_.html#50b99c1c6d99711a >> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116761#3387578 >> >> -- >> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >> “We're living in pieces, >> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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