If a non-native speaker is screwing up wikipedias, he should not be allowed to continue.
On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:57, Maor Malul <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm more than happy to do it, but I have experienced Marrovi's behavior in > the Spanish Wikipedia, where he has been permanently blocked, and in the > Ladino Wikipedia, where he was doing the same thing (and in my opinion, still > does) and I do not trust him; I am even thinking it is time for a Global Ban > -the value of his contributions are reduced to almost zero with his attitude > towards other contributors and making his own rules on every project he has > worked on, as you can see on each one of the four wikis he has been > permanently banned from. > > I'd rather contact WMMX to see how more Nahuatl speakers can be recruited and > in the meantime, encourage the current nahwiki community to improve the > contents of the project, discussing it on Meta. > > Thanks, > M > > On 16/10/2017 8:59 p.m., Oliver Stegen wrote: >> Thanks, Steven - I applaud your wrestling with possible next steps and your >> proposal of a general RfC page on Meta. Alas!, I don't have enough Spanish >> to represent LangCom there. Maybe Maor Malul? (the only native Spanish >> speaker among us) >> >> Fwiw, >> Oliver >> >> On 16-Oct-17 19:43, Steven White wrote: >>> There is no question that User:Marrovi is difficult. The fact that the >>> proposal comes from him makes it hard to take seriously in many respects. >>> And in any event, unless the nahwiki project is really not in valid Nahuatl >>> (of some type or another), I don't see any policy grounds on which you can >>> justify closing this project. >>> >>> That having been said, I think you really need to take the comments by >>> Marcos Williamson (by e-mail) and User:Maunus (on-wiki) to heart. It's >>> really too bad that Marrovi's presence muddles the picture so much, because >>> there are apparently some serious issues here. I am not sure, personally, >>> exactly what to do about it. In theory, I try to encourage the individual >>> Nahuatl test projects at Incubator, but Marrovi is also very active there, >>> and I do not have the language skills to know if he's writing garbage (and >>> can be blocked) or not. >>> >>> As to the current nah Wikipedia, in principle I like the suggestion by >>> Maunus (that Michael endorsed). But I don't see how that generally fits >>> WMF's rules ("anyone can edit"). I've been wracking my brain over next >>> steps forward, and all I can really see is this: >>> • Reject and close this current proposal. >>> • Create a more general RfC page to discuss whether the rules for >>> nahwiki should (or even can) be changed to give more weight to the >>> contributions of true, fluent Nahuatl speakers. I think this should be on >>> Meta, because if it is actually on nahwiki, much will be in Nahuatl, and >>> most of us can't speak it. >>> • When you do this, it would be best if someone had at least a >>> rough proposal in mind. And I suspect it needs to include some content >>> evaluation by experts in Nahuatl who are currently uninvolved in the >>> dispute. >>> • Probably someone fairly fluent in Spanish—that's the "major" >>> language that most interested parties speak–needs to draft that proposal >>> and then moderate. >>> • Marrovi needs to be strictly limited in his contributions so >>> that he does not continue to write "walls" of text. If you set such >>> limitations, I can enforce them as a sysop. >>> • See if Wikimedia Mexico can recruit more Nahuatl-speaking >>> contributors. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Steven White (User:StevenJ81) >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > -- > "Jülüjain wane mmakat ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain > ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > Maor Malul > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve > Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > Phone: +972-52-4869915 > Twitter: @maor_x > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
