Hoi,
Halleluja !!
Thanks,
GerardM
On 17 October 2017 at 13:43, Michael Everson <[email protected]> wrote:
> If a non-native speaker is screwing up wikipedias, he should not be
> allowed to continue.
>
> On 17 Oct 2017, at 07:57, Maor Malul <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm more than happy to do it, but I have experienced Marrovi's behavior
> in the Spanish Wikipedia, where he has been permanently blocked, and in the
> Ladino Wikipedia, where he was doing the same thing (and in my opinion,
> still does) and I do not trust him; I am even thinking it is time for a
> Global Ban -the value of his contributions are reduced to almost zero with
> his attitude towards other contributors and making his own rules on every
> project he has worked on, as you can see on each one of the four wikis he
> has been permanently banned from.
> >
> > I'd rather contact WMMX to see how more Nahuatl speakers can be
> recruited and in the meantime, encourage the current nahwiki community to
> improve the contents of the project, discussing it on Meta.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > M
> >
> > On 16/10/2017 8:59 p.m., Oliver Stegen wrote:
> >> Thanks, Steven - I applaud your wrestling with possible next steps and
> your proposal of a general RfC page on Meta. Alas!, I don't have enough
> Spanish to represent LangCom there. Maybe Maor Malul? (the only native
> Spanish speaker among us)
> >>
> >> Fwiw,
> >> Oliver
> >>
> >> On 16-Oct-17 19:43, Steven White wrote:
> >>> There is no question that User:Marrovi is difficult. The fact that the
> proposal comes from him makes it hard to take seriously in many respects.
> And in any event, unless the nahwiki project is really not in valid Nahuatl
> (of some type or another), I don't see any policy grounds on which you can
> justify closing this project.
> >>>
> >>> That having been said, I think you really need to take the comments by
> Marcos Williamson (by e-mail) and User:Maunus (on-wiki) to heart. It's
> really too bad that Marrovi's presence muddles the picture so much, because
> there are apparently some serious issues here. I am not sure, personally,
> exactly what to do about it. In theory, I try to encourage the individual
> Nahuatl test projects at Incubator, but Marrovi is also very active there,
> and I do not have the language skills to know if he's writing garbage (and
> can be blocked) or not.
> >>>
> >>> As to the current nah Wikipedia, in principle I like the suggestion by
> Maunus (that Michael endorsed). But I don't see how that generally fits
> WMF's rules ("anyone can edit"). I've been wracking my brain over next
> steps forward, and all I can really see is this:
> >>> • Reject and close this current proposal.
> >>> • Create a more general RfC page to discuss whether the rules for
> nahwiki should (or even can) be changed to give more weight to the
> contributions of true, fluent Nahuatl speakers. I think this should be on
> Meta, because if it is actually on nahwiki, much will be in Nahuatl, and
> most of us can't speak it.
> >>> • When you do this, it would be best if someone had at
> least a rough proposal in mind. And I suspect it needs to include some
> content evaluation by experts in Nahuatl who are currently uninvolved in
> the dispute.
> >>> • Probably someone fairly fluent in Spanish—that's the
> "major" language that most interested parties speak–needs to draft that
> proposal and then moderate.
> >>> • Marrovi needs to be strictly limited in his
> contributions so that he does not continue to write "walls" of text. If you
> set such limitations, I can enforce them as a sysop.
> >>> • See if Wikimedia Mexico can recruit more Nahuatl-speaking
> contributors.
> >>>
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>> Steven White (User:StevenJ81)
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Outlook
> >>>
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