Scott,
we're aware of the ISO code proposal for Western Armenian. Actually, one
of our committee (Michael Everson) elicited the data at WMCon Berlin
2017 and wrote and submitted the proposal to the ISO committee. However,
that's Western Armenian and not Homshetsma. Hence, I understand it to be
right to reject the current proposal and then to open a new proposal for
all of Western Armenian.
Best wishes,
Oliver
On 22-Jan-18 17:05, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Sorry I'm late to the conversation, but I did get a request from the
Armenian Wikimedia community at Wikimania 2016 specifically to assist
with the assignment of an ISO code for Western Armenian. Closing the
proposal may be the right thing to do at this point, but it is a bit
of a chicken and egg issue wrt ISO codes. I believe there is
significant community interest within the Armenian community if we
could break this logjam.
--scott
On Jan 22, 2018 6:37 AM, "Steven White" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Having heard no comments on the proposals with respect to Egyptian
and Homshetsma over the last seven days, I will close both as
rejected, as described in my original message.
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1. Re: Montenegrin project (Steven White)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:35:23 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Montenegrin project
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Amir: Someone has written a response to your email to LangCom at
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Gerard: You don't get asked all that often here to spend a lot of
time on an involved, complicated decision. If I thought I could
easily digest it and feed it to you I would. But I don't. I'm not
asking you for a lot of time; rather, the community you serve
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Subject: [Langcom] Four more Wikipedia requests dating to the summer
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Here are four more requests dating back to 2010 that I'd like to
dispose of:
Wikipedia Egyptian
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Propose to reject. SIL marks as an ancient language; it's a
predecessor of Coptic. Writing is hieroglyphics. There is no test
project underway at Incubator, and the original proposer has not
been active in over five years.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Nigerian Pidgin
(https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_Nigerian_Pidgin&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb132479a4ebe4740554308d55cd8cd68%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636517008594733253&sdata=s0udxN8jheX7fbc37aZbExOwaoZ3pks2Alaeqr5AMRU%3D&reserved=0
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Marking as eligible. Ethnologue gives a figure (dating to 2005) of
30 million speakers; though not all are native, it's a widely used
pidgin. Ethnologue says there isn't really a written standard, but
as of 2016 there is a BBC service in the pidgin, so we can
probably steer people in that direction to some extent.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Pipil
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Marking as eligible. Central American language classified by
Glottolog as an Eastern Nahuatl language. Pipil is near
extinction, and test project hasn't been all that active recently.
But there's a decent amount of content there, and if it's valid
content, then this is probably a project that should be
encouraged. No objections were noted on the RFL page.
Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Homshetsma
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Propose to reject. See
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Western Armenian dialect not fully intelligible with Armenian. It
has no ISO code, and a small number of L1 speakers. The proposal
dates to the (northern hemisphere) summer of 2010, and there has
been no material discussion there since then. If it ever gets a
code, we could revisit; if Western Armenian gets a code, it could
possibly be included there.
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