Hello. If I am allowed, I'd like to signal that the community advices LangCom to lock the project unanimously in the PCP page, not for inactivity (which indeed is not a valid reason) but for absence of content since the wiki creation, which it is a valid reason per policy to do so. Regards, M.
2018-04-11 8:22 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_ste...@sil.org>: > I'm happy with the action that Steven took, including the recent > re-opening of the discussion (for clarity's sake). LangCom appointed him > clerk for the kind of activity which he brings to the table (and for which > LangCom members' activity like mine are too sporadic to make LangCom > effective - see multiple complaints over the years). > > > Closing projects policy was revised after our May 2011 meeting exactly so > that "closing a project is no longer easier than opening one". In the > case of Malagasy Wikibooks, I vote for rejecting the proposal to close > precisely because inactivity alone is not a sufficient reason for closure. > There's no harm in keeping it open, and it would be more work to close it > (if I understand matters correctly). > > > In the hope that this can be re-resolved quickly (and without yet more > bureaucracy), > Oliver > > > > On 10-Apr-18 23:14, Steven White wrote: > > Look, I'm not trying to make trouble, nor to ramrod my opinions. With > thanks to members who supported my approach, I am going to revert the > closure of the discussion. > > > Before I do that, I will just point out that I think I have followed the > rules up to this point. Gerard's willingness to agree to the closure > happened in March, while we were still in a discussion phase. He did not > comment afterwards, so I wouldn't have characterized what he did as > negating my proposal. I do think it is within my purview as clerk to put a > proposal on the table. If I stretched a point of the rules at all, it was > to hypothesize that a "discussion" during which only one member comments is > not sufficient to establish a committee consensus to close an existing > project, particularly when its only real problem is inactivity. But maybe > that's not correct; that needs to be discussed. > > > I would also point out to Marco that per policy, the community's role in > such matters is advisory, not binding. Whether or not it should apply to > this particular case, the Board and LangCom have expressed a general point > of view that they would rather keep projects open than to close them, > provided that the project is not full of vandalism. So while the community > does seem to support the closure, LangCom need not follow the community's > advice, although it certainly may do so. > > > Closing projects policy > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closing_projects_policy> normally does > not involve an actual vote; it is supposed to close on consensus. Again, my > perspective is that a consensus discussion to close a project that is not > vandalized requires more than one voice. If members disagree, then please > say so. (And I'd point out that frequently we allow a single voice to mark > a project request as "eligible" or "rejected"; I just think existing > projects deserve a little stronger benefit of the doubt.) So let's let this > run for at least another week, to April 17, and see what else people have > to say about it. > > > Steven > > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > <#m_4414387168066765486_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing > listLangcom@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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