In my opinion Samuel has answered the questions adequately. And even though the number of small edits could hopefully be reduced, I still think the overall efforts and results achieved already speak for themselves. Can we move forward with this?
man. 6. mar. 2023 kl. 14:56 skrev Samuel Okepefi <[email protected]>: > MF-Warburg wrote: > > Hello. I have some doubts. While the number of edits in the project is > > certainly impressive, this seems to be achieved by a tactic of doing > > extremely minor edits in order to create fairly short articles. There > were > > four articles that were edited today, you can see it in all of them: > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Gando_nuhahun_aku% > … > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Nawe_d%C3%A9_domi% > … > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Insurance_h%C3%B2_ > … > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Buhari,_Jonathan_p > … > > > > A first user creates the article in little slices, then user Samatics > comes > > in to fix some formalities. All articles are rather short and link to a > > single English-language article (is it the source?) each. > > Incidentally, you can also put all of the articles into Google Translate > > and it will recognize them as being in Yoruba and put out an intelligible > > English translation. I don't know how worrisome that is, though (but see > < > > https://books.google.de/books?id=801byTVQSuwC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq… > > at the bottom of p. 2). > > > > Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 15:47 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki < > > sotiale.wm(a)gmail.com>gt;: > > > > > I agree to the approval of guwwikinews. > > > > > > I had previously been concerned about this project's focus on creating > > > Wikimedia projects in a short period of time, but I realized that > this was > > > just my pointless concern. Some projects are often left unattended to > > > establish other projects after being approved. However, guw projects > are > > > not, and are usually maintained and contributed continuously. > > > > > > The sustainability of the community and sufficient contributions are > also > > > generally satisfactory. And no major problems are found that would > prevent > > > approval. > > > > > > Therefore, I have absolutely no reason to oppose, and I'm in favor of > > > approval. > > > > > > Sotiale > > > > > > 2023년 2월 14일 (화) 오후 9:37, Jon Harald Søby > <jhsoby(a)gmail.xn--com>-4f21ay07k 작성: > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I would like to suggest the approval of the Gungbe Wikinews [1]. The > test > > > wiki was started in October, and has had a steady and solid activity > ever > > > since [2], with a core group of 8 active users who have made a > substantial > > > number of edits. > > > > > > According to Samatics, their most active contributor, they average > about > > > 7 new articles per day (I haven't double-checked this number, but > have no > > > reason to doubt it). For comparison, the 14 newest articles on the > English > > > Wikinews as of right now range from February 12 to January 8, so > that's one > > > article every 2.5 days – meaning the Gungbe Wikinews is already one > of the > > > most currently active Wikinews editions. They even have an audio > Wikinews > > > subproject [3] with spoken news articles! > > > > > > The localization of MediaWiki into Gungbe is great and ongoing, > currently > > > MediaWiki core is at 70 % [4]. > > > > > > [1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw > > > [2] > > > > > > https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wn/guw&… > > > [3] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Linlin-hihia > > > [4] https://codelookup.toolforge.org/guw > > > > > > -- > > > mvh > > > Jon Harald Søby > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Hello, > > Apologies for posting here. I just found out about this threads and I want > to address MF-Warburg concerns. > > As far as I can tell, wikinews articles are mostly news summary from > respected newspapers as sources (at most 2 sources per article). This > policy we have adhered to. Most of the news articles on enwikinews are > stub-like if compared to enwiki articles see examples here: > > > https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/More_than_100_killed_in_mosque_bombing_in_Pakistan > > https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Earthquake_strikes_Aksu_Prefecture,_Xinjiang_Region,_China;_no_casualties_reported > > https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_singer_Madonna%27s_elder_brother_Anthony_Ciccone_dies_at_age_66 > > https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Glasshouse_in_to_Tier_1_women%27s_cricket_final_on_Australia%27s_Sunshine_Coast > > When we started this project, we cite two to three sources but decided to > stick to one source since ours is summarising a news article and then > translating it. This is a community decision. You can see examples here. > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Folasade_Ogunsola_l%E1%BA%B9zun_y%E1%BB%8Dnnu_tintan_heyin_m%E1%BA%B9b%E1%BB%8Ddo-azinpon%E1%BB%8D_UNILAG_t%E1%BB%8Dn_go > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Naijilia_na_klan_eyin_Bola_Tinubu_l%E1%BA%B9zun_t%C3%B2g%C3%A1n_w%E1%BA%B9_Obaseki_d%E1%BB%8D > > As to posting short edits, I correct the sentences in most cases and that > gives a lot of issues to me. So I encouraged writing text in bits and > making sure the tonal markers are right. This reduces the level of my > corrections on the body of texts. I also come in to add the proper > formatting (once we get approval importing and then using the templates is > usually easy and this will reduce this work) and audio to the news. You can > confirm this trends on guwwiki or guwwiktionary. It's not a tactic as you > concluded. Gungbe is tonal and a word if not marked properly can have > different meanings e.g owhé(house), owhe(year), owhè(sun). > > Concerning using Google translate to translate our article and Google > suggesting it as Yoruba. A proper test I think you should have done is > reversing the Google translated text in English back to Yoruba and you will > be amazed to see that no single word or expression will be the same as the > previous text in gungbe. But thanks for this observations, it makes me to > be aware of the possibility of gungbe being added to Google translate > languages soon. My explanation for this is that there are large body of > texts online for Gungbe and Google's algorithm is based on how close a > written text is to an existing language. I found this interesting paper > https://metatext.io/datasets/jw300. And did the same test you did on this: > > https://www.jw.org/guw/Wes%E1%BA%B9dot%E1%BA%B9n/linlinwe-l%E1%BA%B9/at%C3%B2%CC%A3h%C3%B2%CC%A3-nuhih%C3%B3%CC%A3-l%E1%BB%8D-t%E1%BB%8Dn-s%E1%BB%8Dha1-2019-jan-f%C3%A9vr/naw%E1%BA%B9-jiwhey%E1%BA%B9whe-n%E1%BB%8D-yin/ > > > https://www.jw.org/guw/nuhe-biblu-pl%E1%BB%8Dn-m%C3%AD/kanbi%E1%BB%8D-l%E1%BA%B9/pipeh%E1%BA%B9-z%C3%B2%CC%A3n-j%E1%BA%B9magb%E1%BB%8D/ > The texts are in gungbe but Google gives an intelligent translation and > detects it as Yoruba. But when done in the reverse. It doesn't match the > previous text. (You can try it too) > > I'll suggest when you do such test next time, try to do the reverse and > see if it matches the previous text. > > In addition to the above, you can see that most of our sports news article > are longer than most enwikinews articles. You can see here: > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Kane_do_ag%C3%B3_200t%E1%BB%8D_et%E1%BB%8Dn_to_Premier_League_m%E1%BA%B9_dile_Tottenham_duto_Man_City_ji > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Man_City_h%C3%B2_Chelsea,_nado_s%E1%BA%B9p%E1%BB%8D_m%E1%BA%B9he_to_aga_to_todohukanji_EPL_t%E1%BB%8Dn_m%E1%BA%B9 > > Or a full list in the sports category: > > > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Aihundida_lanm%E1%BA%B9yiya_t%E1%BB%8Dn > > Let me know if further clarifications are needed from me. > Once again, apologies for posting here as I assume it is not open to the > public. > > Best > Samatics > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- mvh Jon Harald Søby
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