Hello Jon, I am impressed by the quality and precision in the answer made by Samuel and agree with you that they made a good achievement so far (Seeing the activity level and links). If the question is approval of "guwwikinews", then I think we can move forward with it. What do other members think?
Best regards, Anass On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:09 PM Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]> wrote: > In my opinion Samuel has answered the questions adequately. And even > though the number of small edits could hopefully be reduced, I still think > the overall efforts and results achieved already speak for themselves. Can > we move forward with this? > > man. 6. mar. 2023 kl. 14:56 skrev Samuel Okepefi <[email protected]>: > >> MF-Warburg wrote: >> > Hello. I have some doubts. While the number of edits in the project is >> > certainly impressive, this seems to be achieved by a tactic of doing >> > extremely minor edits in order to create fairly short articles. There >> were >> > four articles that were edited today, you can see it in all of them: >> > >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Gando_nuhahun_aku% >> … >> > >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Nawe_d%C3%A9_domi% >> … >> > >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Insurance_h%C3%B2_ >> … >> > >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wn/guw/Buhari,_Jonathan_p >> … >> > >> > A first user creates the article in little slices, then user Samatics >> comes >> > in to fix some formalities. All articles are rather short and link to a >> > single English-language article (is it the source?) each. >> > Incidentally, you can also put all of the articles into Google Translate >> > and it will recognize them as being in Yoruba and put out an >> intelligible >> > English translation. I don't know how worrisome that is, though (but >> see < >> > https://books.google.de/books?id=801byTVQSuwC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq… >> > at the bottom of p. 2). >> > >> > Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 15:47 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki < >> > sotiale.wm(a)gmail.com>gt;: >> > >> > > I agree to the approval of guwwikinews. >> > > >> > > I had previously been concerned about this project's focus on >> creating >> > > Wikimedia projects in a short period of time, but I realized that >> this was >> > > just my pointless concern. Some projects are often left unattended to >> > > establish other projects after being approved. However, guw projects >> are >> > > not, and are usually maintained and contributed continuously. >> > > >> > > The sustainability of the community and sufficient contributions are >> also >> > > generally satisfactory. And no major problems are found that would >> prevent >> > > approval. >> > > >> > > Therefore, I have absolutely no reason to oppose, and I'm in favor of >> > > approval. >> > > >> > > Sotiale >> > > >> > > 2023년 2월 14일 (화) 오후 9:37, Jon Harald Søby >> <jhsoby(a)gmail.xn--com>-4f21ay07k 작성: >> > > >> > > Hi all! >> > > >> > > I would like to suggest the approval of the Gungbe Wikinews [1]. The >> test >> > > wiki was started in October, and has had a steady and solid activity >> ever >> > > since [2], with a core group of 8 active users who have made a >> substantial >> > > number of edits. >> > > >> > > According to Samatics, their most active contributor, they average >> about >> > > 7 new articles per day (I haven't double-checked this number, but >> have no >> > > reason to doubt it). For comparison, the 14 newest articles on the >> English >> > > Wikinews as of right now range from February 12 to January 8, so >> that's one >> > > article every 2.5 days – meaning the Gungbe Wikinews is already one >> of the >> > > most currently active Wikinews editions. They even have an audio >> Wikinews >> > > subproject [3] with spoken news articles! >> > > >> > > The localization of MediaWiki into Gungbe is great and ongoing, >> currently >> > > MediaWiki core is at 70 % [4]. >> > > >> > > [1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw >> > > [2] >> > > >> > > https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wn/guw&… >> > > [3] >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Linlin-hihia >> > > [4] https://codelookup.toolforge.org/guw >> > > >> > > -- >> > > mvh >> > > Jon Harald Søby >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Langcom mailing list -- langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > > >> Hello, >> >> Apologies for posting here. I just found out about this threads and I >> want to address MF-Warburg concerns. >> >> As far as I can tell, wikinews articles are mostly news summary from >> respected newspapers as sources (at most 2 sources per article). This >> policy we have adhered to. Most of the news articles on enwikinews are >> stub-like if compared to enwiki articles see examples here: >> >> >> https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/More_than_100_killed_in_mosque_bombing_in_Pakistan >> >> https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Earthquake_strikes_Aksu_Prefecture,_Xinjiang_Region,_China;_no_casualties_reported >> >> https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_singer_Madonna%27s_elder_brother_Anthony_Ciccone_dies_at_age_66 >> >> https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Glasshouse_in_to_Tier_1_women%27s_cricket_final_on_Australia%27s_Sunshine_Coast >> >> When we started this project, we cite two to three sources but decided to >> stick to one source since ours is summarising a news article and then >> translating it. This is a community decision. You can see examples here. >> >> >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Folasade_Ogunsola_l%E1%BA%B9zun_y%E1%BB%8Dnnu_tintan_heyin_m%E1%BA%B9b%E1%BB%8Ddo-azinpon%E1%BB%8D_UNILAG_t%E1%BB%8Dn_go >> >> >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Naijilia_na_klan_eyin_Bola_Tinubu_l%E1%BA%B9zun_t%C3%B2g%C3%A1n_w%E1%BA%B9_Obaseki_d%E1%BB%8D >> >> As to posting short edits, I correct the sentences in most cases and that >> gives a lot of issues to me. So I encouraged writing text in bits and >> making sure the tonal markers are right. This reduces the level of my >> corrections on the body of texts. I also come in to add the proper >> formatting (once we get approval importing and then using the templates is >> usually easy and this will reduce this work) and audio to the news. You can >> confirm this trends on guwwiki or guwwiktionary. It's not a tactic as you >> concluded. Gungbe is tonal and a word if not marked properly can have >> different meanings e.g owhé(house), owhe(year), owhè(sun). >> >> Concerning using Google translate to translate our article and Google >> suggesting it as Yoruba. A proper test I think you should have done is >> reversing the Google translated text in English back to Yoruba and you will >> be amazed to see that no single word or expression will be the same as the >> previous text in gungbe. But thanks for this observations, it makes me to >> be aware of the possibility of gungbe being added to Google translate >> languages soon. My explanation for this is that there are large body of >> texts online for Gungbe and Google's algorithm is based on how close a >> written text is to an existing language. I found this interesting paper >> https://metatext.io/datasets/jw300. And did the same test you did on >> this: >> >> https://www.jw.org/guw/Wes%E1%BA%B9dot%E1%BA%B9n/linlinwe-l%E1%BA%B9/at%C3%B2%CC%A3h%C3%B2%CC%A3-nuhih%C3%B3%CC%A3-l%E1%BB%8D-t%E1%BB%8Dn-s%E1%BB%8Dha1-2019-jan-f%C3%A9vr/naw%E1%BA%B9-jiwhey%E1%BA%B9whe-n%E1%BB%8D-yin/ >> >> >> https://www.jw.org/guw/nuhe-biblu-pl%E1%BB%8Dn-m%C3%AD/kanbi%E1%BB%8D-l%E1%BA%B9/pipeh%E1%BA%B9-z%C3%B2%CC%A3n-j%E1%BA%B9magb%E1%BB%8D/ >> The texts are in gungbe but Google gives an intelligent translation and >> detects it as Yoruba. But when done in the reverse. It doesn't match the >> previous text. (You can try it too) >> >> I'll suggest when you do such test next time, try to do the reverse and >> see if it matches the previous text. >> >> In addition to the above, you can see that most of our sports news >> article are longer than most enwikinews articles. You can see here: >> >> >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Kane_do_ag%C3%B3_200t%E1%BB%8D_et%E1%BB%8Dn_to_Premier_League_m%E1%BA%B9_dile_Tottenham_duto_Man_City_ji >> >> >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/guw/Man_City_h%C3%B2_Chelsea,_nado_s%E1%BA%B9p%E1%BB%8D_m%E1%BA%B9he_to_aga_to_todohukanji_EPL_t%E1%BB%8Dn_m%E1%BA%B9 >> >> Or a full list in the sports category: >> >> >> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wn/guw/Aihundida_lanm%E1%BA%B9yiya_t%E1%BB%8Dn >> >> Let me know if further clarifications are needed from me. >> Once again, apologies for posting here as I assume it is not open to the >> public. >> >> Best >> Samatics >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > > > -- > mvh > Jon Harald Søby > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- ----------------------------------------------------- *Anass SEDRATI* *(+46) 70 508 51 07*
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