I want to add: the vast majority of requests are unproblematic and are usually marked as eligible by a single member of langcom, without consultation. This is provided for in the < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Voting_policy>: "Any committee member can mark clearly eligible requests for new languages as eligible. Requirements are: the language has a valid ISO 639-3 code, there are no significant issues with regard to the language itself, the population of speakers is significant."
On Incubator, we also have < https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Requests_for_starting_a_test>, where users can get quick guidance on where the appropriate place to start is, if they are unsure. I agree with Jon Harald that it might be good to streamline all of this. I've often thought there should be a "single point of contact", which could also help avoid the creation of useless requests like < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ottoman_Turkish_5> (if we'd close it as rejected, sooner or later someone will start request no. 6). Am Mo., 3. Apr. 2023 um 16:06 Uhr schrieb Kimberli Mäkäräinen < kimberli.makarai...@tuni.fi>: > This does not pertain to Dendi since it has already been verified as > eligible, but I would prefer not to let people just randomly start up a > project on the incubator without someone verifying that it is eligible or > we will end more ancient language/constructed language projects or projects > where there is no language community at all that can support the project. > On the other hand, having the request page does not mean that all the > support would not just end up being the work of one person and their > sockpuppets/meatpuppets like we had with Kamassian > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kamassian>. > Nonetheless, I still think the request formality is a good idea. > > Moving the whole shebang to Incubator sounds like a good idea. > > Slighty OT: Do we have any of the following stats for the incubator? > > - actual ISO codes, where the language has been verified > - actual ISO codes, where the language has not been verified but a > project has been started anyway > - actual ISO codes where the language is not considered within the > scope of the Wikimedia projects (ancient languages, etc.) > - fake ISO codes > > t. K > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2023 12:13 PM > *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > > > *Subject:* [Langcom] Re: Starting Wikipedia Incubator in Dendi > > The request pages in their current form are a little bit outdated in my > opinion, a relic from a time where votes (or !votes) for new editions were > given much more weight. Nowadays they are mainly used to ascertain > eligibility according to the language proposal policy, but the most > important thing is to start the test wiki on the Incubator and maintain an > active community there. There have been cases where a test wiki was active > and even getting ready to be approved before the request page was actually > made, and it wasn't really a problem. > > I would like to actually move the whole process (with the LPP and the > request pages) from Meta to the Incubator. Currently there are two places > where things are done; a very small part, i.e. the request page, is done on > Meta, while the most important part (creating the test wiki and building a > community) is done on the Incubator. I think it makes more sense to have > everything in the Incubator, but I haven't written up a detailed proposal > for that yet. I can hopefully get that done soon, but can't promise any > exact timeline. > > But yeah, to answer the main question for Dendi: I just created the > outline page for it at https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ddn , and > they can start from there. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of "help" for > what is needed at the very beginning (that is also something I would like > to do something about), so it is good if they already have some experience > from other language projects or at least have some help from experienced > Wikimedians. > > I also marked the request page you linked to as eligible. > > man. 3. apr. 2023 kl. 10:53 skrev Anass Sedrati <sedra...@gmail.com>: > > Hello Colleagues, > > I was contracted today by Wikimedians who want to start an incubator > version in Dendi (a language spoken in Benin by ~500.000 people, iso code: > ddn). They explained to me that they created this request page > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dendi>, > but my understanding is that the mentioned page is a request to create a > "full" Wikipedia, and not to have an incubator page. Is this a correct > understanding? > > To start their incubator, they just need to be bold and create a main > Wp/ddn page > <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp/ddn/Main_Page&action=edit&redlink=1> > and start working there. Is that also the correct procedure that I need to > explain to them? > > Thank you colleagues for your clarifications. I wish you a great start of > your week and look forward to meeting you tomorrow! > > Best regards, > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > *Anass SEDRATI* > *(+46) 70 508 51 07* > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > mvh > Jon Harald Søby > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >
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