For the record, the closure has been accepted and will be implemented now. Am Mi., 16. Okt. 2024 um 15:39 Uhr schrieb Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com >:
> I agree with the proposal to close as well. > > man. 7. okt. 2024, 23:32 skrev Kimberli Mäkäräinen < > kimberli.makarai...@tuni.fi>: > >> Kevin Scannell gave a very good presentation at the Celtic Knot >> Conference 2024 on how the quality of the content of WP impacts the quality >> of language models it is used to train. The low-quality language of >> Wikiprojects created by people who claim or claimed to be native speakers >> of these languages will inevitably be used to train language models since >> often this is not only the easiest text to harvest, it could also be the >> only available text online. This then puts any actual language community at >> a major disadvantage, since they then have to fix texts á la Scots >> Wikipedia. This also places an undue burden on any existing language >> community that would not be there if people were honest about their >> language skills in the first place (for example, we have had multiple >> people who have claimed to be native speakers of both Nauruan and Kamassian >> at the same time*). If the language community does not exist or there are >> too few people to fix it, this low-quality material lives on, further >> distorting the language. >> >> So I think we need to think about having some process in place when it >> has become apparent that the content of a Wikiproject is akin to what was >> in the Scots Wikipedia, but there is little to no language community to >> "save" the project, because in my opinion, what we can do now is not >> suitable anymore. For example, I do not think in this case that moving the >> text to the incubator is the right solution and as I have said on the >> closing proposal, the whole thing should just be nuked. If the language >> community exists and wants to later on start a Wikiproject of their own, I >> don't think they should be burdened with the low-to-no quality text >> produced by people who don't know the language. I know of one case where >> the language community has refused to touch a Wikipedia project in the >> incubator in their language because all the content was created by someone >> who had not the slightest clue about the language or how it works and they >> were not willing to fix his mess. >> >> t. Kimberli >> * They always pick small to non-existent, widely different language >> communities to pretend they belong to for some reason. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 7, 2024 8:49 AM >> *To:* Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee < >> langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> >> *Subject:* [Langcom] Re: Closing proposal Norfolk and Pitcairn Wikipedia >> >> In conclusion, I agree to accept this proposal. >> >> In principle, the fact that Wikipedia is inactive is meaningless as long >> as there is already valid content. >> However, this project currently owns about 400 pages, and most of them >> are very short pages; this means that it cannot be highly evaluated as >> valid content. >> Also, it is unlikely that there will be any activity in the near future, >> so it should be closed considering these points. >> >> If contributors could show up in the near future, it might be evaluated >> differently, >> but this project is not like that, and since it is already on its third >> proposal, it should be seriously considered for closure. >> >> Sotiale >> >> 2024년 10월 7일 (월) 오전 1:20, MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>님이 작성: >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Pitkern_%26_Norfuk_Wikipedia_3 >> >> I suggest to accept the proposal. >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >
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