See also Arne Brasseur's recent talks at various Ruby conferences, e.g. "Web Linguistics: Towards Higher Fluency" at http://lanyrd.com/2013/eurucamp/. "Modelling State Machines with Ragel", by Drew Neil, looks awfully relevant too, in light of Zed Shaw's results using Ragel for the Mongrel parser ( http://zedshaw.com/essays/ragel_state_charts.html).
Cheers, --mlp On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Sergey Bratus <[email protected]>wrote: > > We are changing tack to appeal to engineers. Meredith Patterson > just recorded a set of lectures on using Hammer to build langsec-safe > parsers in C. They are now in editing. > > We are also pulling together notes on designs for hardware parsing. > The task proved to be harder than we first thought, but I believe > we are arriving at a viable approach here as well. > > It would be create to encourage programmer participation. We need ideas > and perhaps a set of challenges? > > Thank you, > > > --Sergey > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Sashank Dara wrote: > > Also ,am little disheartened to see not much activity happening on langsec >> , even after we have break through results . >> >> Regards, >> Sashank >> http://lnkd.in/88sgfr >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Grawrock, David >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> I'd like to 2nd Sashank's comment. We need to find ways to show HOW you >>> do >>> things differently. Suppose I've got a HW input buffer and I normally >>> send >>> in a buffer size with a command as the first byte and that determines >>> what >>> the rest of the buffer looks like. We know that is not the best, but what >>> does the better one look like. To have an impact to engineers we really >>> need to start showing them what better looks like and how it will help >>> them. >>> >>> David Grawrock >>> Security Architect >>> 503 264 3642 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Sergey Bratus >>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:29 AM >>> To: Sashank Dara >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [langsec-discuss] LangSec Workshop at IEEE SPW 2014, Sun May >>> 18, 2014 >>> >>> Hi Sashank, >>> >>> Thank you! We'll look for ways to emphasize the practical case study >>> part. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Sergey >>> >>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Sashank Dara wrote: >>> >>> just my 2 cents . >>>> >>>> Recently i gave a talk on langsec internally for big room of engineers . >>>> frankly teaching science to engineers is difficult . I lost my >>>> audience the moment i showed them chomsky hierarcy and talking stuff >>>> >>> like grammars >>> >>>> and rules . they sounded more theoretical . Usually engineers want to >>>> >>> see >>> >>>> more concrete things , things in action . I did mention libdejector >>>> and Haskell based IP Stack that comes close to langsec . I did mention >>>> that fuzzing based testing is not enough. >>>> >>>> So if possible some tools developed based on langsec principles to >>>> hack popular protocols as demos might get more interest . >>>> making them available as open source might further help to people play >>>> around with them . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sashank >>>> http://lnkd.in/88sgfr >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Sergey Bratus <[email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Will, >>>>> >>>>> We are soliciting papers on research and/or case studies as per >>>>> the CFP, will have the Program Committee review them, and have the >>>>> accepted papers presented by the authors at the workshop, with >>>>> audience participation. We will have an invited keynote or two. We >>>>> will also hold a discussion on the directions of the field in some >>>>> form. >>>>> >>>>> We are very open to suggestions of how to make it interesting to >>>>> attend for all researchers, programmers, and hackers interested in the >>>>> >>>> topic! >>> >>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> --Sergey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Will Sargent wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What happens at the workshop? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Will. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Sergey Bratus >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We will hold a LangSec workshop as a part of the IEEE CS >>>>>>> Security and Privacy Workshops >>>>>>> (http://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SPW2014/index.html), >>>>>>> co-located with the Symposium on Security and Privacy at the >>>>>>> Fairmont San Jose Hotel. Our workshop will be a full-day workshop >>>>>>> on Sunday May 18, 2014. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CFP and other info is now posted at http://spw14.langsec.org/ >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Please feel free to advertise and suggest it to potential sponsors! >>>>>>> We would like to work out a way to waive or reduce the registration >>>>>>> fees for industry programmers, students, hackers and enthusiasts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Needless to say, please do submit your research or case study >>>>>>> >>>>>> papers! >>> >>>> >>>>>>> Thank you very much & hoping to see you at the workshop, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Sergey >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> langsec-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://mail.langsec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/langsec-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>> langsec-discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mail.langsec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/langsec-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> langsec-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.langsec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/langsec-discuss >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ > langsec-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.langsec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/langsec-discuss >
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